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France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #54

Can we get the European Union to mandate physical toggles and shutters for mic and camera, now that they're also pushing for user-replaceable batteries?

I would be less surprised if they actually banned things like this given their attitude to E2E encryption..

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #193

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Despite all the technology in the world the majority of police work is still plain old-fashioned knocking on doors and making phone calls. People will always voluntarily give up all the information in the world to be seen as good citizens. In your friend's case I'm willing to bet that they asked the sister for the names of his close friends and acquaintances and yours matched up.

or they just triangulated using his cell phone, it can be very accurate in urban settings

You experienced a type 0 SMS. It can wake the GPS on a modern phone and return a GPS location.

Last time I checked cell tower triangulation is accurate to between a few hundred and a few thousand feet. Cellular A-GPS can be good to within a few feet inside houses usually but often its within a few tens of feet in accuracy.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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I regret getting a pixel, and not a fairphone with a removable battery With the current level of oversight on the police (police of police is a meme by now), and the level of cybersecurity at the government, everyone's phones will be activated within a few months. At least some government agent will have fun watching what ppl visit on the internet during their spare time, and can enable the camera to watch what they'…

GrapheneOS is a project that is hardening android and they mostly develop for pixels. If you are really paranoid, you can check that out.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Do the cameras/microphones need to be controlled by the baseband? Naively they seem like they should be at a slightly higher level than the main radios, and should be controlled exclusively by the OS. I'm guessing from your comment there's some reason that's not the case though?

The microphone does need to be connected to the phone. Not so much the camera.

Does it? The OS must be able to send audio to the phone modem (bluetooth, homepod, etc), so it seems reasonable to me that it wouldn't have direct access to the microphone and that would go via OS also.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #162

They could at least have the decency to just secretly do it and then pretend like they aren't, like our government does. This is why physical switches and removable batteries are the only way forward.

what is "our" government? this site is worldwide..

I've (unfortunately) got a habit of accidentally assuming forums are "in the US". I think I would put it down to a couple of things:

1. Most native English speakers are in the US, so the accidental assumption that someone is American is more often than not correct.

2. The internal voice that reads text to me has a generic male American accent.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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>ACAB I think my biggest pet peeve with this line of thinking is that it's not a reform slogan and it's not productive. If someone actually thinks that, then where do you go from there.

> If someone actually thinks that, then where do you go from there. People who believe in ACAB for the most part do not believe the current system can be reformed and are police abolitionists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abolition_movement

My point exactly. I think the concept of police abolition is detached from reality toxic. It aims to delegitimize the police in hopes that up better system will arise, without having a workable better system.

All of the proposed alternatives are delusions and fantasy.

It's like jumping off a cliff because you think you can learn how to fly on the way down.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Why does Apple (iPhone) and Google (Android OS) give software access for governments to do this? One needs to disallow this. And then we need to buy that phone over the other. Transparency, competition and the power of customers must drive this.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite all the technology in the world the majority of police work is still plain old-fashioned knocking on doors and making phone calls. People will always voluntarily give up all the information in the world to be seen as good citizens. In your friend's case I'm willing to bet that they asked the sister for the names of his close friends and acquaintances and yours matched up.

I like this idea, very human. Social engineering basically. And at the end, they are not required to tell you their method.

But they can't find a stolen bicycle with a gps tracker as the gps information 'may not be accurate'. Similar for phones. /(am in europe)
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