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Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by tchaffee »

endisneigh wrote: post #58
jxf wrote: post #56

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Most people don't think that nature is an eyesore, and many national parks are significant tourism generators for their local economies.

I’m not sure concrete buildings are natural, and these ads were not found primarily in national parks so I don’t see the relevance. Ironically most of the arguments against ads also apply to housing which is why there’s a global housing crisis. A lack of nuanced thinking about trade offs

There are huge trees everywhere in São Paulo. Billboards would block the view of some of that gorgeous green. Nature doesn't exist just in national parks.

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Post by gom_jabbar »

sischoel wrote: post #159
gom_jabbar wrote: post #91

In Zurich, the ban against billboards was recently introduced as well. It reminds me of the discussion of ad blockers on websites like Youtube and Co. After all, advertising is actually a fundamental part of the economy. How are things in Sao Paolo 10 years later?

Do you have any sources on that? The only thing I could find was that some parties want to ban digital billboard in the city of Zurich (not the whole canton).

Sorry, I had to clarify that the final decision has not yet been made. The city still approves digital billboards [0].

In Geneva, the debate has been going on for some time. There, I think since 2021, digital billboards should be banned, but in the latest votes there is the counter-movement to keep the billboards [1].

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[0]: https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/hbd/de/index/bewilligungen_und_...

[1]: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/geneva-throws-out-ban-...

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by doseijin »

eberfreitas wrote: post #204
carlosjobim wrote: post #200

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> Actually it is the opposite, it is a scream from those who don't really have a voice in the city. It is most certainly not. This romanticizing of criminals and vandals is not any kind of compassion. Who would like their neighborhood or home turned into a hell scape? Edit: To those who downvoted my comment, go look up some pictures of how these neighborhoods look when they are all covered in tags. Ask yourself if yo…

Well. "O buraco é mais embaixo". But by the tone of your message I can see there is no point in trying to develop this any further.

lá ele irmão

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by ChoHag »

Luctct wrote: post #119
ericmay wrote: post #75

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One key difference is the scale. You can think of a billboard as really bad graffiti that’s shoved in your face to manipulate you. Graffiti is ugly too (not to be confused with urban art) and should always be removed. Generating money for the government isn’t something to be concerned with in this context, and most likely a billboard doesn’t generate enough money for the government versus the drain it has on the publ…

You see, you just said that "We just don’t have the tools yet to objectively define beauty" and "Boston City Hall is objectively an awful building" (and holy shit, it really is awful) in the same paragraph! Don't you see the contradiction? In another comment here, someone said, "I'm not arguing for or against that - I'm just stating a fact (...) I find it extremely ugly." Hey, "I find it extremely ugly" IS arguing ag…

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Post by dkh »

Luctct wrote: post #83
kibwen wrote: post #57

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> Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years later, it is more likely to see one of these nowadays than an empty outdoor frame Nearly all of these look like murals, not graffiti (these are distinct forms of street art). Regardless, those photos are beautiful and I'd love to have those instead of billboards in my city.

Neither murals nor graffiti is art. None of those would have been accepted in any gallery some 30~40 years ago when standards were higher and the world didn't suffer from the high number of grown-up men who are hooked up on comic books and animated cartoons it suffers through today. A lot of it is just vandalism. None of it seems to be made by or for adults. 99% looks like it's made by some comic book fan on LSD. Alw…

So there’s no art in comics or animation either? Pixar’s Best Picture-nominated “Up” is too lowbrow, shallow, and lacking of artistic quality?

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by mieubrisse »

As an American moving to SP, this was one of the most striking things when I first arrived by air. It's buildings, as far as the eye can see, and it looks different somehow: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F...

Then you realize later that it's all architecture, free of advertising. Sadly, it's not completely clean - on the way from GRU there's still a decent amount of high-standing billboards and generic crap.

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Post by OwenFM »

Not all advertising is for capitalist GDP maximisation − as a member of a political party, our biggest challenge is informing people that we exist, and that they don't have to vote for the incumbent parties that have kicked problems along the road, for decades.

If you ban advertising, be careful what you wish for.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by kroltan »

Bloating wrote: post #127
kroltan wrote: post #36

I lived until recently in Florianópolis, one of the state capitals of Brazil. It is a naturally beautiful island city, and it has an iconic bridge leading into it ("Ponte Hercilio Luz" if you want to search for photos). For some god forsaken reason, someone got away with building a gigantic - and I mean GIGANTIC - screen billboard right in line of sight of this historic postcard. I don't recall when it was installed,…

The mayor's newphew owns the billboard company

It is kinda fitting in the sense of all the corruption that made the bridge repairs take longer than I've been alive, now that it's repaired (?) there's that horrendous screen. It's like the rotten cherry pit atop the pile of turd.

But nevertheless, it is a true shame.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by kroltan »

whats_a_quasar wrote: post #190
tr4vis wrote: post #49

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I'm from Florianópolis and everyone I know hates that stupid billboard - it goes against the natural vibe of the city. In person it's an eye sore from kilometers away.

Not directly related, but it's so cool that three different people from Florianópolis have commented! I don't think I'd ever meet someone from that part of Brazil in my normal life. That's a little bit of internet magic

Yep, I always see a couple fellow manézinhos (or at least residents) whenever Florianópolis is mentioned.
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