Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

Post by sebzim4500 » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 7:46 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #56

wincy wrote: post #10

Interesting. So products that use AI generation as pet of an API, say using a diffusion model to generate different stylings for the walls and textures for a level creator, would fall under this? Guess it’s time to ask for forgiveness rather than ask for permission and not let Valve know where my art assets are coming from in my web-based API. If I were making a game I’d just lie and lie at this point.

For a very long time music producers would pirate their samples, plugins and presets. The idea was that nobody could tell how illegal these tools were in the finished product, so there was no reason not to steal. It was genuinely the gold standard for a while, and even established artists like Diplo, Porter Robinson and Kanye West were caught pirating content en-masse. Nowadays there isn't the same attitude so much.…

Post by cmeacham98 » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 7:50 PM UTC

Macuyiko wrote: post #228

judge2020 wrote: post #191

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But not for Tyrone vs. Cops[0] "When a game comes up as problematic, it gets flagged a bunch by steam users, and there's a meeting that takes place where they decide if these things stay on steam"[1]. 0: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1853200/TYRONE_vs_COPS/ 1: https://youtu.be/hDjxBrgtJXc?t=974

Well... Valve is a very interesting study in that regard. They have voted for violence, topics bordering to meme hate speech, pornography, but have voted against crypto shit and now AI. Not making a verdict either way but I find it interesting. I'd like to know more about the internal discussion(s) that took place to establish their frameworks. Especially given the company is private.

Post by slikrick » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 7:51 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #236

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #221

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> They will not even have a bulletproof way to detect AI imagery as it evolves every single day as an arm's race and detection is a full-time job. Even a FAANG or a state actor would need to dedicate team(s) to detection technology and still have false negatives. Are people actually trying to detect AI-generated content? That would not only be pointless and futile; the threat of false positives would be enormously de…

Yep. There is a cohort of #noaiart amateur-but-wants-to-be-professional artists on twitter who believe their mediocre talents would be paying their expenses if it only wasnt for that pesky ai imggen. (Ignoring that a vanishingly small proportion of imggen art is replacing commissioned art - most is art that would simply never have been made). Like a horde of locusts, they will randomly pile onto AI artwork with hate…

Post by smoldesu » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 7:54 PM UTC

sebzim4500 wrote: post #291

smoldesu wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a very long time music producers would pirate their samples, plugins and presets. The idea was that nobody could tell how illegal these tools were in the finished product, so there was no reason not to steal. It was genuinely the gold standard for a while, and even established artists like Diplo, Porter Robinson and Kanye West were caught pirating content en-masse. Nowadays there isn't the same attitude so much.…

> Many people still pirate sounds, but skeptic listeners will sometimes ask musicians to show off their project files And the musicians comply? Weird.

Post by bmicraft » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 7:59 PM UTC

Macuyiko wrote: post #228

judge2020 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not for Tyrone vs. Cops[0] "When a game comes up as problematic, it gets flagged a bunch by steam users, and there's a meeting that takes place where they decide if these things stay on steam"[1]. 0: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1853200/TYRONE_vs_COPS/ 1: https://youtu.be/hDjxBrgtJXc?t=974

Well... Valve is a very interesting study in that regard. They have voted for violence, topics bordering to meme hate speech, pornography, but have voted against crypto shit and now AI. Not making a verdict either way but I find it interesting. I'd like to know more about the internal discussion(s) that took place to establish their frameworks. Especially given the company is private.