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The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by AlexandrB »

jimbob45 wrote: post #15
LanceH wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same can be said about how they mods are treating the rest of the sub.

Couldn't agree more. This is a flagrant abuse of power by mods. I hope this is a wake-up call to major companies never to let your employees unionize because the employees don't care about you or your company - they'll kill it just to spite you and then move on to the next company.

> the employees don't care about you or your company - they'll kill it just to spite you and then move on to the next company.

Ah yes, this is in contrast to the benevolent employers who deeply care about each and every employee and would never lay them off just to buy another ivory backscratcher for the CEO.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by Jabbles »

Facebook has ~a billion or so~ users and is worth ~$500B.

Reddit has ~hundreds of millions of~ users and is not worth anything like that.

Why? Facebook's content is provided by all its users for free? So if Reddit can figure out a way to monetize it like Facebook, it's worth literally hundreds of billions of dollars.

Which is why the leadership of Reddit will do anything if there's a chance that they can dramatically increase the value of the company. From their perspective, it absolutely is worth the risk. From our perspective it isn't worth it, ofc, because the upside for us doesn't involve lifechanging amounts of money.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by marcod »

jmull wrote: post #178

I'm almost starting to think they really will break Reddit. When all this started I had no doubt that the protests would come, make their point, end, and then Reddit would continue on its way. But this has been so poorly handled. I think a key to reddit's "success" (such as it is) is that they figured out how to scale moderation -- by getting volunteers to do the tough work for free. I'm sure reddit can toss all the…

I'm -> <- this close to deleting all the posts in my 15 year old reddit account. It's not just moderators they are losing.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by Timon3 »

hinkley wrote: post #208
civilitty wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finally, I can fulfill my destiny of taking over r/television and banning anyone who says anything positive about a show with a laugh track. It should never have been allowed to begin with.

I’m gonna ban everyone who complains about Ted Lasso. Barbecue sauce.

The worst part about Ted Lasso was that there wasn't more Ted Lasso in it!

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by anthonypasq »

PepperdineG wrote: post #216
anthonypasq wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reddit moderators have an unbelievably inflated sense of their worth, which is why they thought this blackout was going to accomplish anything in the first place. I assure you, there is a line around the block of people clamoring to become mods. There's a reason its nigh impossible to become a mod of a big sub, the people that are doing it really like doing it and dont want more people joining to dilute their share o…

>reddit moderators have an unbelievably inflated sense of their worth If moderators were inconsequential Reddit wouldn't be trying to hire and fire them. >I assure you, there is a line around the block of people clamoring to become mods. The willingness of others to do the same work doesn't make what someone does inconsequential. Would you say an NBA player is inconsequential because you could find a million people w…

this comment is so incoherent i dont even know where to start.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by mmcgaha »

PepperdineG wrote: post #185
mulletbum wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mods don't work for Reddit. They volunteer for Reddit moderation. Much like you can volunteer to be the leader of the DND club at a local hobby shop. They are not an employee. People who don't like what Reddit is doing should stop showing up. Mods who don't like it should stop moderating. It's as simple as that, if enough people agree, Reddit will be no more. I will bet Reddit will be just fine.

>Mods don't work for Reddit. They volunteer for Reddit moderation. Much like you can volunteer to be the leader of the DND club at a local hobby shop. They are not an employee. DND has no control over people doing DND at a local hobby shop, but if Reddit gets directly involved in hiring and firing and other such management of free labor then it is setting up to be viewed as an employer. There are many differences bet…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_Community_Leader_Program

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by irthomasthomas »

Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

/r/programming was predicted to remain open during the strike, due to it being modded by Reddit admins. But they also went dark when the top post was collecting examples of chatgpt generated anti-protest comments. https://web.archive.org/web/20230612074029/https://old.reddi...

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by ilyt »

Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

Pretty much, essentially ones that will be left are ones wanting the power rather than good of their community

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

p4bl0 wrote: post #7
lewisflude wrote: post #3

Key paragraphs > If there are mods here who are willing to work towards reopening this community, we are willing to work with you to process a Top Mod Removal request or reorder the mod team to achieve this goal if mods higher up the list are hindering reopening. We would handle this request and any retaliation attempts here in this modmail chain immediately. > Our goal is to work with the existing mod team to find a…

Classic attempt to break a strike. Would mods be employee, this would be illegal (at least in France). This shows how Reddit the company think how the people who work for them for free on Reddit the platform and make its value.

The analogy appears fitting at first glance, but it's crucial to note that the moderators in question aren't simply choosing to abstain from their duties—they're actively hindering others who might wish to take up those responsibilities.

I may not be an expert in French law, yet an analogy that comes to mind would be envisioning workers of a grocery store who've decided to go on strike. But rather than merely expressing their refusal to work, they also opt to seal the store's doors, blocking customers from entering.

Of course, customers might find the current situation unfavorable due to the absence of employees (think of barren shelves, paralleling communities overpopulated with off-topic discussions). Management, too, would likely find the situation objectionable due to a lack of employees to ensure transactions are being made legally (equivalent to the absence of moderators who uphold site rules, a scenario potentially hazardous to Reddit). Even though management might be compelled to shut down the store under these circumstances, it's essential to remember that closure remains a management prerogative, not a decision for the striking workers.

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