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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Good read. Interesting that the author’s takeaway is that folks consider Digg v4 to be a catastrophic launch because of the myriad technical issues. I don’t even remember there being technical issues, I just remember logging in one day to find a website I enjoyed replaced with a bunch of crap I wasn’t interested in.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

> In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy.

I have always been pretty left wing (have been a member of and organised for a range of left wing political parties) but Reddit was what very much moderated by belief in 99% of left wing politicians and would be politicians. If the kinds who rise to the top of subreddits ever saw power in our societies we would see the terror and widespread violence. There's a performative aesthetic idea of what being left wing is based on positions on issues, knowledge, rather than an actual mindset and series of real beliefs about what is the right thing to do.

It comes down to what I had always seen as the territory of the right but now realise that people of any political persuasion can do it:

1. Blame the system for your own problems

2. Other your enemies and make their problems personal failings

3. Claim that justice would be their destruction rather than their rehabilitation

And for social media companies these lonely, angry, miserable people drive huge amounts of engagement.

Reddit has huge governance issues as a community that stems from the fact that the corporate leadership cannot serve two masters. In retrospect when they did the big slow down on the "hot" algorithm was the moment it could not be saved.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning It is a well known tactic for ill intent. For a reason. People do it all the time and should be called out for doing so.

I wasn't asking questions. I was making a categorical statement of objective reality: at the time it was physically impossible to know how many doses of the vaccine, on what schedule, would achieve the best balance of effectiveness vs. safety. This was the content of my comment, which got me banned from /r/CanadaCoronavirus.

You asked if you were being toxic.

I answered yes. As someone who has built communities online and in the real world, you are someone that, at best, needs careful management. I wouldn’t willingly include you in a team or community. I’ve done life or death stuff with the teams I built, I’m pretty good at this.

From reading through here plenty of other people think similarly. You are more willing to argue than you are to hear that your behavior is problematic. Even after asking specifically, and being told so.

You are exceptionally talented at this. You have literally dozens of people bickering. Congrats.

Unambiguously, I consider you toxic.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#293

Fun fact: Digg sold SendGrid its hardware after Digg v4 flopped. This made up a good chunk of our first data center. IIRC, it was a bunch of Penguin Computing boxes in an Equinix DC in San Jose. I think we probably retired the last of them in early 2015.

Were they auctioning it, or was it direct buy?

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Have you considered examining why you feel the need to project false moral superiority onto, obliquely insult, and psychoanalyze strangers? Do you think this suggests a sober self-awareness and firm grounding of your principles -- qualities I'm sure you feel you possess and believe you're projecting?

Have you considered examining why you feel you need to use the most opaque and overly-elaborate way to say an incredibly simple concept as a way to “project false moral superiority onto [and] obliquely insult […] strangers?” Projecting your obvious superiority complex onto others while at the same time accusing others of doing so is, quite frankly, hilarious. Next time, just introspect instead of digging this idiotic…

There's a lot to reflect on here.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered examining why you feel you need to use the most opaque and overly-elaborate way to say an incredibly simple concept as a way to “project false moral superiority onto [and] obliquely insult […] strangers?” Projecting your obvious superiority complex onto others while at the same time accusing others of doing so is, quite frankly, hilarious. Next time, just introspect instead of digging this idiotic…

There's a lot to reflect on here.

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered examining why you feel you need to use the most opaque and overly-elaborate way to say an incredibly simple concept as a way to “project false moral superiority onto [and] obliquely insult […] strangers?” Projecting your obvious superiority complex onto others while at the same time accusing others of doing so is, quite frankly, hilarious. Next time, just introspect instead of digging this idiotic…

There's a lot to reflect on here.

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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That can actually be quite useful, if implemented correctly. Even as a site owner I wouldn't mind, because it lets users upvote my content after reading it easily. But evolving browser standards killed it and most of the time it was implemented annoyingly. Actually it would be nice if this was a browser feature. Click on a link on a site like HN or Reddit, browse to the new page as usual, but you have a little incons…

If reddit and Twitter kill their API, there's probably space for a noutofband plugin that creates arbitrary forums on content. Like, you find a website with an image, you hash the image and that creates your standard forum and voting system. Then wheverver that hash shows up, so does the forum.

Something like https://annotations.lindylearn.io/ - a collaborative social layer for annotating all webpages. Ran across it when browsing Marginalia.nu a while ago. I also miss StumbleUpon.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Coincidentally, I've been going through Digg's history including v4 and their early history, because it's nostalgic for me. What people don't realize is Digg actually had four founders, depending on how you count them. Owen Byrne[0] has as his bio "The person who built digg for $1000 @ $10/hour, lol". Going by that, I don't think he shared in any equity. The whole site was bootstrapped for apparently $6000 total. Peo…

I’m incredibly nostalgic for that time too.

When I was 13, I managed to watch TechTV for one straight day while on vacation. Then, TechTV promptly shut down. But learning about Leo Laporte, Kevin Rose, changed me. I wanted to move to San Francisco and get into tech. TWiT and Diggnation were totally foundational to me.

I remember still the excitement that on Digg you could upvote a story without reloading a page. AJAX! That was really what Web 2.0 was about, technologically.

I sometimes feel strange that almost no one talks about these days. Maybe it’s not long enough ago? I mean… it’s been almost 20 years.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#299
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I feel the implication is it only happens on Reddit so therefore it’s Reddit that is out of touch.

https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/am-i-so-out-of-touch Reddit is not one person, you understand that right? If multiple people on different parts of Reddit are telling you you’re an asshole— something I explicitly called out— then Occam’s Razor says that you are, in fact, the asshole.

I think we both know that Reddit has a certain political viewpoint, so let’s not pretend that we don’t.

The meme certainly applies, but not in the way you think it does.

If it’s only Reddit that finds many people’s behaviour objectionable Occam’s Razor would determine that Reddit is the problem.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#300

Good read. Interesting that the author’s takeaway is that folks consider Digg v4 to be a catastrophic launch because of the myriad technical issues. I don’t even remember there being technical issues, I just remember logging in one day to find a website I enjoyed replaced with a bunch of crap I wasn’t interested in.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

> It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense

It really reached an insane degree on the official subs at least. There are some karma farmers that certainly are human that post and post the ever same topics, but the quality of many submissions really dropped significantly. And I compare that to the former reddit quality, which was optimized for mass instead of quality. Today it looks like some form of propaganda spam. Perhaps a result of news outlets copying more than before.

Reddit should have build on its strengths. It was better for discussion than Twitter or Tiktok. Not too deep, but at least you could find new ideas. Now they used the platform to consolidated opinions and killed the advantages that formerly differentiated the platform.

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