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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by pragmatic »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

He owns a car company. He needs people to need cars. Commuting in many places requires a car.

Cui bono?

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Post by alienicecream »

nimblegorilla wrote: post #287
somethoughts wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My two cents on this is that he is saying "working from home is morally wrong" - for his companies ... but he left out the for his companies part. He owns a car company and a space ship company - both of which have assembly lines with tons of workers. A majority of his employees will need to be working in a factory or with physical equipment/prototypes. Therefore they must be at the office or at the plant. In that en…

> My two cents on this is that he is saying "working from home is morally wrong" - for his companies... but he left out the for his companies part. If you watch his interview you see him say WFH is morally wrong for almost everyone in the "laptop class" and not just his companies. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-work-from-home-morall... "You're going to make people who make your food that gets delivered [that]…

There are 12 year olds working in Cobalt mines, I wonder if Musk is going to send his children to work in those. Some people have to live on the street, maybe we all should, otherwise it's "messed up".

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Post by andsoitis »

scott_w wrote: post #253
geodel wrote: post #216

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I mean unless you could somehow dictate the agenda on who can dislike whom, a lot of people can just dislike upper middle class, no?

Billionaires own the most widely circulated print media in the U.K. so it doesn’t seem impossible that this agenda is being influenced. Especially when those exact papers spilt a lot of ink telling people to “get back to work” despite the fact those people were always working during the pandemic.

> Billionaires own the most widely circulated print media in the U.K.

It seems natural that whoever owns the “most widely circulated print media” would be rich, no?

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Post by andsoitis »

scott_w wrote: post #260
somethoughts wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My two cents on this is that he is saying "working from home is morally wrong" - for his companies ... but he left out the for his companies part. He owns a car company and a space ship company - both of which have assembly lines with tons of workers. A majority of his employees will need to be working in a factory or with physical equipment/prototypes. Therefore they must be at the office or at the plant. In that en…

But those aren’t moral issues, they’re productivity issues. My younger brother used to do his computer job from the office because it was attached to the factory. It meant he could talk directly with the people manufacturing the steel frames he specified in the building dressing to get the right thing built quickly. This was a USP of the company vs other design shops. This could be true for Tesla, there’s no morality…

> But those aren’t moral issues

According to the dictionary, morality is simply “ principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.”

> they’re productivity issues

Some would say that choosing being unproductive when you could be productive IS immoral. Not only does Benjamin Franklin jump to mind, but the entire Protestant-informed culture of “the West”. Japan’s culture is also infused with a productivity mindset.

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Post by notyourwork »

p1esk wrote: post #177
notyourwork wrote: post #164

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Asshole - yes, ignorant- no.

This type of stuff would suggest otherwise.

https://www.dailyo.in/technology/elon-musk-fired-a-twitter-e...

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Post by maxehmookau »

"You need to be in the office because you will collaborate better" is corporate code for "we're unwilling to build up our internal documentation to make it possible to do your jobs without serendipitous meetings with colleagues which is actually an admission of our own organisational failures"

Change my view.

The remote working genie is out of the bottle. Trying to push it back in is pointless.

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Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos »

js8 wrote: post #102
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #58

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The government will punish me and the company if I do that. I am also forced to take my vacation. Even when the government says I can't go anywhere. I. Must. Not. Work.

If you're talking about labor laws, that is not true. They only specify that the employer cannot demand you to work 7 days a week, but you still can if you choose to (e.g. as a contractor).

I'm not sure what country you're talking about but that ain't what it's like where I live.

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Post by askin4it »

sacnoradhq wrote: post #234
hn_version_0023 wrote: post #217

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> Will you really parrot elite coined phrases like “laptop class?” Sometimes, I think about the phrase "human resource" and how it's a nice linguistic nod toward "natural resources", which obviously are meant to be exploited. It makes it easier when you think about laying off thousands of people, or making thousands commute needlessly simply to boost someone's ego.

"Exploit" and "use" have multiple meanings, some positive and some negative. It's the words people hear based on their own particular biases determine if those words associate with anything particularly positive, neutral, or negative. The problem with creating abstract business jingo is it's typically viewed as an artificial "thieves' cant" between managers. A sublanguage meant to obscure and hide meaning.

You guys are almost there. So close... can someone take this one more step...

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Post by postalrat »

seattle_spring wrote: post #247
postalrat wrote: post #165

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What part of it are you having trouble understanding?

The entire sentence could be interpreted a dozen different ways. I'd like to know precisely what you mean without having to assume.

People working from home can be as productive and efficient as they were in the office but the majority of them choose not to be.

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Post by lumb63 »

somethoughts wrote: post #175
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

My two cents on this is that he is saying "working from home is morally wrong" - for his companies ... but he left out the for his companies part. He owns a car company and a space ship company - both of which have assembly lines with tons of workers. A majority of his employees will need to be working in a factory or with physical equipment/prototypes. Therefore they must be at the office or at the plant. In that en…

I saw this first-hand at a defense contractor. A lot of the work is classified, so it needs to be done in-office. The group of in-office workers definitely harbored a lot of anger toward the out-of-office “no-work-from-home” workers. It doesn’t help that it was mostly true (there) that the work-from-homers were doing nothing; I know because I was one of them, at one point.
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