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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by XajniN »

gcr wrote: post #103
jtode wrote: post #36

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Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

offtopic, but what keyboard controller do you recommend? I have a cheap MIDI keyboard but the keyfeel is all wrong compared to the upright pianos I used to play as a kid. I'd like to get back into piano, and I know I struggled with phrasing/dynamics, and I worry that unweighted keys will teach me bad habits even though they're technically velocity sensitive...

Arturia KeyLab 88 [1]

Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88 [2]

Both with hammer action Fatar keybeds.

[1] https://www.arturia.com/products/hybrid-synths/keylab-88-mki...

[2] https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keyb...

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by intrasight »

brokenmachine wrote: post #270
intrasight wrote: post #123

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And Linnstrument is open source. And is a generic MIDI controller that works with any MPE compatible synth and any MPE VSTi instruments - such as Audio Modeling. The Push doesn't support VSTi.

Push does support VSTi when you connect it to your PC.

I understand that. But it would be most excellent if they supported VSTi in standalone mode.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by H1Supreme »

adriand wrote: post #80
dottjt wrote: post #45

Personally, I don't really like the Push platform, having previously owned a Push 2. I can understand the value of it if you're performing live, however the hard reality is that it's a really inefficient way to create electronic music. The mouse and keyboard are simply a lot faster to use. With that said, maybe that's for you. But if you're trying to make advanced productions as quickly as possible, then I really see…

A keyboard and a mouse might be faster in some instances, but they are also far less musically expressive. When it comes to putting emotion into music, I think it is a lot easier to do so with an expressive, physically embodied musical instrument. In terms of speed, I'm also not sure how quickly you can create articulations like vibrato and slides with a mouse and keyboard, but that seems like it would be fairly tedi…

> I think it is a lot easier to do so with an expressive, physically embodied musical instrument.

Completely agree. I currently run 5 MIDI controllers with Ableton: 3 Launchpads (one for launching clips, and the other two for controlling step sequencers), a Launch Control for knobs, and a basic 61-key MIDI keyboard.

I used to do it all with a mouse, but when I added that first Launchpad for punching in sequences by hand, I felt so much more creative.

Clearly, I still use the mouse for lots of things. And, doing everything by way of a controller (like the Push) is not really desirable to me. But creating patterns, playing chords/melodies on the keys, and tweaking synth params with hardware pots by hand just feels better. Like you, I don't have to think about what I'm doing. I just do it. Clicking in notes on piano roll really can't compete. imo.

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Post by illwrks »

mh- wrote: post #153
illwrks wrote: post #135

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Seconded. My daughter plays piano, and we have one of these. The YDP line of pianos from Yamaha are very good value, obviously not the same as a grand piano but very very good for a digital piano, and has midi out.

It has midi out and presents itself as a USB audio interface. So if you go into the menu on the YDP itself and turn off the local sound, you can connect it to your laptop via USB and play virtual instruments on it, with the audio going right back out to the YDP's speakers. I thought that was super cool when I realized that.

Amazing, I didn't know that at all!!

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by brokenmachine »

intrasight wrote: post #293
brokenmachine wrote: post #270

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Push does support VSTi when you connect it to your PC.

I understand that. But it would be most excellent if they supported VSTi in standalone mode.

Your initial post seemed to be comparing the Push and the Linnstrument.

It would also be excellent if the Linnstrument supported VSTs at all.

They seem to be identical in this respect.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by jtode »

illumin8 wrote: post #277
jtode wrote: post #36

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Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

I don't think this is true at all. Apple keeps releasing amazing new features for Logic Pro and they are free. They also just released Logic Pro for the iPad, and the new M2 iPad Pros are basically more powerful than Intel Macs at this use case. Apple is clearly committed to their Pro users, but I can see why them dropping driver support for older hardware is frustrating. It's not that they are dropping driver suppor…

Or you could just get off their walled garden that assumes you have thousands of extra dollars per year to pay for their various premium lifestyle objects and services.

If Apple is only concerned with Professionals, they should stop marketing to the peons.

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Post by sideshowb »

rvense wrote: post #97
hammyhavoc wrote: post #74

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You're missing the appeal of self-expression entirely.

"Why learn to play an instrument when you can just buy a CD?"

Kinda cheating to play an instrument you didn't make yourself. I think you're missing the appeal of self expression... /s
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