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Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ceol »

josteink wrote: post #104
st3fan wrote: post #30

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Read what Gruber writes about that Gatekeep feature: My favorite Mountain Lion feature, though, is one that hardly even has a visible interface. Apple is calling it “Gatekeeper”. It’s a system whereby developers can sign up for free-of-charge Apple developer IDs which they can then use to cryptographically sign their applications. If an app is found to be malware, Apple can revoke that developer’s certificate, render…

Read what Gruber writes about that Gatekeep feature: Read what the world's biggest Mac-shill has to say to defend the world's least open company and biggest patent-troll? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll go for something open and free, and you wont get anything like that out of Cupertino.

>you wont get anything like that out of Cupertino.

You do know the core OS, Darwin[0], is open source? See also http://opensource.apple.com/ You may have even heard of a little rendering engine named WebKit that Apple helped create.

[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by pnathan »

I guess I am looking at Lion and Mountain Lion and not seeing a place for someone who works outside of the Apple target audience. I like the way I use mac books, which is "skin over Unix with usable UX and a mighty fine piece of HW".

I think it's time I started looking at high-end Linux laptops...

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by un1xl0ser »

miles_matthias wrote: post #162

I'm all for OS X adopting more and more of iOS because it's great for the user experience. However as a hacker it feels wrong to have a computer that is as locked down as iOS devices. BUT Apple showed me that they are listening and still want to cater to developers when they announced GateKeeper ( http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html ). I have a few friends who are switching to Unix instead of Mac…

I agree that I don't like where it is going, but we aren't really the target audience.

I was looking to get CrunchBang Linux running on my MBP, but realistically the battery life change will make the device hard to justify. If I am going to go back to 2-3 hours of battery life, I'm probably going to have to change my hardware setup to get a Thinkpad with a pair of nine cells.

That said, I can't even flip my virtualization set-up, because I doubt that it is going to be smooth sailing (license-wise and technically) running a copy of OS X in VirtualBox or VMware.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by rayiner »

moe wrote: post #150
swombat wrote: post #81

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"Inspired by" doesn't mean "equal to"... I don't see any evidence that those features turn your mac into an ipad.

Last time they took inspiration from iOS we ended up with "Launchpad", an inverted scroll-wheel, and the god-awful "restart all applications after reboot"-nuisance that cannot be fully disabled. Thanks but no thanks.

Launchpad is great and the scrolling behavior makes total sense. We also got fullscreen mode, which is the first multiple desktop like thing I've ever gotten used to using (even after years of using Linux, where I could never make use of virtual desktops because I couldn't remember what windows had gone where). The iPad-inspired improvements in Lion were probably the biggest jump in my desktop productivity since I got a Mac to begin with (around 10.4).

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by bwarp »

evilduck wrote: post #279
bwarp wrote: post #248

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You are probably right. I prefer an additive process i.e. install what I want from a clean install. Every time I grab a Mac, I have to remove all the crap from it (Garageband, iPhoto etc). It's easier to drop the restore CD in and reinstall it from scratch without all the junk (and don't tell me to just leave it there as it takes up valuable space on an Air SSD).

First, deleting iLife apps is as simple as dragging the particular app you don't want to the Trash and then emptying the trash, no significant uninstall process required. I'd hardly call that a significant issue to whine about. Second, you claim you have an Air and that you're dropping in a restore CD. Does not compute. Easy with the hyperbole.

USB CD drive. TBH we lost the little restore stick in the sofa!

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by mortenjorck »

pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

Nothing surprised me nearly as much as Gatekeeper. A middle ground for security, rather than attempting to further sweep every developer into the App Store? It's impressive to see Apple pursuing a pragmatic balancing act instead of simply staying a course of consolidation.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by rayiner »

tristan_louis wrote: post #101
ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

You're not. The continuing IOSification of OSX is something that has been bugging me too and part of why, to date, I've yet to upgrade to Lion. It looks like Apple wants to create a more iOS-like approach across all its products, which is fine if you buy into the whole ecosystem. It also seems there's a trend here, with Apple bringing iOS increasingly into OSX and Microsoft bringing Windows Phone into Windows 8, the…

At the end of the day, the Mac is still the developer platform for iOS Apple has been really good to Mac developers, and I don't see them stopping anytime soon (it is totally against their interest in having a great apps ecosystem on iOS).

Lion is great. Swiping between full-screen desktops is a huge productivity boost. Touchpad gestures instead of hotkeys to bring up Expose is awesome. Yes it's iOS-ified, but it takes the good things from iOS that fit naturally with the touchpad.

At the same time, the UNIX guts of OS X keep getting better. Grand Central is an awesome API that you can use from C. 64-bit support is almost seamless. You can swipe just fine between full-screen terminal windows. Xcode keeps getting less shitty, LLVM and LLDB keep getting better. Objective-C keeps seeing feature and performance improvements. The API's keep being improved.

People are afraid that the gains for iOS means losses for OS X, but all I've seen so far are gains for OS X, largely focused on revamping the UI to take full advantage of the multi-touch capabilities of modern Mac hardware.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by laconian »

ctingom wrote: post #261
pwthornton wrote: post #129

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I expect to see a 1080p Apple TV this year, since the A5 and upcoming A6 can both do 1080p video. The current Apple TV is A4 based, which is limited to 720p. With the new iPad having a resolution above 1080p, Apple finally has a reason to have 1080p iTunes content. Beyond that, Apple may not have wanted to take A5 chips away from the iPhone and iPad to sell in Apple TVs. Now that all of the new iPads and iPhones will…

Prediction: Apple is the company that takes TV past 1080p into much higher resolution displays (when they actually release an Apple TV). Movies are already shot at much higher resolution, and Apple will introduce Apps (subscribe to a show or network, for example).

If that happens, then I predict the end of all-you-can-eat Internet. ISPs are kvetching enough about Netflix as-is.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by sneak »

tdfx wrote: post #139
taylorbuley wrote: post #95

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It took me a while to get used to Lion's reverse scroll, which in retrospect seems like a layup for this release, but I've come to enjoy it.

Took me about a week and a half to get over that mentally. Now I can't use my girlfriend's computer who is still on Snow Leopard.

Yeah. I fiercely admire Apple for having the balls to fix what was obviously backwards but heavily entrenched in the minds of the public. They almost always do the Right Thing.
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