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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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That's a shame because in a world of artificially inflated 10-minute youtube videos, I really enjoy tiktok's to the point short clips. If I want to see a review or a how-to or similar, I go to tiktok first because they are from normal dudes and not big channels that artificially pad their videos to 10 minutes for the ads.

Youtube Shorts

If that's your thing

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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> The CCP has the grasp but not the reach. CCP has extraterritorial police stations that regularly surveil the Chinese diaspora and have sent agents to assault individuals. It's particularly bad for expats with domestic families, expats are known to be challenged or coerced using the threat of harm to family members. It's especially bad for uighur and tibetan expats. Here's the thing. The US has certainly done bad sh…

> By and large it reckons with it and is subject to corrective action. What kind of corrective action? The US has never faced any backlash for helping Brazil (my country) to maintain a dictatorship because of communism fears, for example.

Corrective action != Punishment. The US really doesn't seem to do as much of that stuff these days. It's very unpopular and not doing these things any longer is in bipartisan political discourse. Do you disagree?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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There are often a lot of weasel words used instead. In US Defense circles China has been described as a "pacing threat" over the past few years: https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/26... I guess that's one way to describe the tense rivalry without completely calling your most important trade partner an "adversary".

How is China the most important? Measured in dollars, a brief search seems to show that we trade more with Canada? https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/t...

In my mind it's where we get the most stuff that we couldn't get elsewhere. Sure, we can harvest more or less hardwood, or import more or less from Canada, Sure, if we have issues with Guatemala we can buy our t-shirts from somewhere else. But if we want the devices that our information economy requires, there seems to be no where else to build them. Apple's attempts to build iPhones in India for example: https://www.firstpost.com/world/apples-india-production-face...

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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The Guardian: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35983009 Associated Press: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35984728 New York Times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35983933 Politico: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35984023 The Verge: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35982447 NBC News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35982950 CNN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35982386 Wall Street Jo…

Thanks! I think we've merged them all hither.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Looks doable. I've added it to my list. Thanks! (Manually removed in the meantime)

I hadn't even noticed it was a feature. The fact that I am not immediately turned off by the headlines here makes my ignorance a surprise!

It's one of those things that doesn't get noticed when it works well, which we hope is most of the time. That has an amusing side effect: the cases that people notice are the ones that they don't like—those stand out like sore thumbs—and this creates the feeling that the title edits are always annoying and wrong. Which is true, if you don't count any of the good cases!

Thus most of the comments about HN's title editing system (software + mods) are about how awful and obviously terrible it is, and comments like yours here are rarities.

In the end this is all priced in, so to speak, to HN's system. The main thing is that the front page be mostly free of misleading and/or linkbait titles and gimmicks. pg used to describe it like this: we want the front page of HN to look bookish. That is, it should look interesting to people who like to read, and look boring to people who don't.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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I wrote up a quick analysis last night here: https://ioc.exchange/@invisv/110387246627189198 Here are the takeaways: * It'd be easy for Apple and Google to prevent downloads of TikTok for most users, which would also include app updates, as they have a significant amount of knowledge of users' locations and could prevent most users in Montana -- even those using a VPN -- from downloading the app or updating it. * It'…

This is not a user privacy vs. megacorp story, it's a national security story.

I wish there was a megacorp privacy story to run here, sadly, I'm not sure Congress will go for it.

There is only one solution and that is for TT to be 'forked' from ByteDance/Doyin. It would literally cost almost nothing, there are almost zero synergies between Doyin and TT at this point, they will do just fine separately, and it won't cost anything but a few bankers/accountants to do the split.

TT will have to be based in Singapore or US and be completely independent from BD/Doyin but that's fine.

Nothing will skip a beat, everyone can be happy, kids can have their app but CCP won't have any control visibility at all.

Funny enough, ByteDance could probably retain maybe even majority control, although that might not work in practices.

And then we can get on with trying to get Congress to protect consumers from Meta ...

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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One underappreciated aspect of this is ban is that anyone who wants Tiktok will just go download it in Wyoming or Idaho etc, as it seems to be merely a ban on downloading the app, and not a ban on Tiktok traffic itself. So the ban will have near zero actual impact in practice (even if it somehow makes it into effect). Furthermore, it's unclear if the web app of Tiktok will be affected, or if it's only a ban on the mo…

It will have a big effect.

Information funnels don't work by such hyper rational actions such as 'going to a different state to do something'.

That won't happen.

TT use will fall dramatically, and given the nature of 'tipping points and critical masses' - it will change things.

The 'strategic' issue, is that this may be the US doing a bit of 'dipping toes in the water' in a small state, before taking broader action, which I think they will do.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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>The law specifies that no penalties apply to users of TikTok. But app store operators and TikTok itself could face fines of $10,000 per violation per day, with an individual violation defined as “each time that a user accesses TikTok, is offered the ability to access TikTok, or is offered the ability to download TikTok.” Sounds like a money-printing machine.

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Then ban the psychological manipulation. Not one company. And good luck defining that term legally without running afoul of the constitution.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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I hope that this shifts the Overton window toward discussion about banning facebook, twitter and instagram. They play a major role in exacerbating the divisions in the society and the rising suicide rate. Those domestic platforms do a better job at undermining the national security than any foreign force could dream of.

How do you reconcile this position with the First Amendment?

The first amendment doesn't necessarily protect being-an-incredibly-invasive-and-creepy-stalker-with-an-eternal-memory (but "at scale", which apparently makes it OK somehow?)

The business model is what would be at risk, not Facebook's free speech.

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