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Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by kevviiinn »

lockhouse wrote: post #289
nine_k wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why, I think, the future is either putting your money (or at least provable identity) where your mouth is, or not being heard (e.g. because everyone will assume a petition without hard proofs of identity fake). Yes, this is disenfranchising. But not being heard while some company pretends to speak for you is even more disenfranchising.

Can you even function in modern society without a government issued photo ID? It’s required to drive, collect benefits, fly, purchase alcohol, purchase tobacco, or even purchase Sudafed. I just can’t fathom that there are any actual petitioners or voters that requiring photo ID would disenfranchise.

I guess the homeless and poor don't matter

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by sroussey »

anaganisk wrote: post #188
sroussey wrote: post #184

They should be made to hand write an apology to every person they impersonated, mailed first class with regular stamps.

Why do you want to torture some poor intern.

The executives should write them!

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by lockhouse »

kevviiinn wrote: post #291
lockhouse wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you even function in modern society without a government issued photo ID? It’s required to drive, collect benefits, fly, purchase alcohol, purchase tobacco, or even purchase Sudafed. I just can’t fathom that there are any actual petitioners or voters that requiring photo ID would disenfranchise.

I guess the homeless and poor don't matter

Is there a state where you can sign up for public assistance without proving your identity with government issued ID? I'm not aware of any.

I'm pretty sure the Venn diagram of people without access to government issued ID and legal, eligible voters is two distinct circles.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by max47 »

101011 wrote: post #281
zamnos wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorta. It's that Netflix didn't want to pay more for something someone else was getting for cheaper. If I sell hot dogs for $3, but charge you $6 because you're you, wouldn't you raise objections? The problem with your friend's reasoning about peering arrangements is that net neutrality is about getting what you paid for. If I go to the store and buy eggs and the farm decides it hasn't gotten enough money for the egg…

What if I charge you $6 because you order so many hot dogs that I have to find another distributor of raw hot dogs and hot dog buns? And charging $3 would mean that I'm taking a loss?

That doesn’t really apply to this debate. Netflix isn’t sending data back and forth through the ISP’s network just for their own fun and their own benefit. They send the data because the ISP’s client specifically asked for it and is paying for that bandwidth. They are also likely paying for far less bandwidth than the low bitrate Netflix is using. TV streaming is also arguably one of the main reason why the end user bought a high speed internet connection in the place.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by kevviiinn »

lockhouse wrote: post #293
kevviiinn wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the homeless and poor don't matter

Is there a state where you can sign up for public assistance without proving your identity with government issued ID? I'm not aware of any. I'm pretty sure the Venn diagram of people without access to government issued ID and legal, eligible voters is two distinct circles.

I'm pretty sure all citizens are eligible voters?

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by lockhouse »

kevviiinn wrote: post #295
lockhouse wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a state where you can sign up for public assistance without proving your identity with government issued ID? I'm not aware of any. I'm pretty sure the Venn diagram of people without access to government issued ID and legal, eligible voters is two distinct circles.

I'm pretty sure all citizens are eligible voters?

I’m pretty sure all citizens are able to get government issued ID

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

lockhouse wrote: post #296
kevviiinn wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure all citizens are eligible voters?

I’m pretty sure all citizens are able to get government issued ID

UK does not issue ID, but you have to have an ID to vote now :D 4D chess

They have a register of random documents issued by 3rd parties that they will accept as proof of ID.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by webinvest »

nine_k wrote: post #157
Jupe wrote: post #98

> LCX and Lead ID were responsible for many of these fake comments, letters, and petition signatures. Across four advocacy campaigns in 2017 and 2018, LCX fabricated consumer responses used in approximately 900,000 public comments submitted to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Similarly, in advocacy campaigns between 2017…

This is why, I think, the future is either putting your money (or at least provable identity) where your mouth is, or not being heard (e.g. because everyone will assume a petition without hard proofs of identity fake). Yes, this is disenfranchising. But not being heard while some company pretends to speak for you is even more disenfranchising.

How do you invent a system where the websites instituting the identity proof (KYC/ Know Your Customer) systems don’t just become honeypots for collecting the necessary data to impersonate the millions of people that used it?

Others have commented on your point about money already

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by kevviiinn »

lockhouse wrote: post #296
kevviiinn wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure all citizens are eligible voters?

I’m pretty sure all citizens are able to get government issued ID

There are areas that you have to pay for ID which disenfranchises the voters who can't afford it

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by jasonm23 »

ummonk wrote: post #6

"An investigation by the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) found that the fake comments used the identities of millions of consumers, including thousands of New Yorkers, without their knowledge or consent." $615k seems like a slap on the wrist for what they did.

Their "suspected" employers just inhaled that amount of money before I finished this comment.
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