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Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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Post by gavinhoward »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #273
gavinhoward wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"AI" changes things by making it even harder for individuals to defend against. Right now, we have FOSS organizations that will help you in lawsuits against companies that don't follow licenses. With "AI" in the picture, companies can launder your code with "plausible" deniability. [1] [1]: https://matthewbutterick.com/chron/will-ai-obliterate-the-ru...

On the other hand, you can take some (closed?) code a company wrote, feed it into AI, and launder it for your purpose. While this is not a symmetric exchange, it does reduce the power of copyright for everyone.

Sure, if you can get your hands on it and if the company doesn't sue you for doing so.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

gavinhoward wrote: post #291
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, you can take some (closed?) code a company wrote, feed it into AI, and launder it for your purpose. While this is not a symmetric exchange, it does reduce the power of copyright for everyone.

Sure, if you can get your hands on it and if the company doesn't sue you for doing so.

Check out what I wrote two posts above. If them suing you is a problem then you have trouble in your legal system regardless of copyright.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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Post by efreak »

throwaway290 wrote: post #189
LawTalkingGuy wrote: post #159

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> specific copyright terms of use There's no such thing. Without a license you can't enforce any restrictions. AI training is basically just building a very complex Markov chain, that's obviously not copyright violation because the output product doesn't contain the input - only data about it. If your text has been copied then please point to it in these weights here.

markov, shmarkov, either you need those original works or you don't. If you can build your markov chain without them please go ahead But we all know without these original works such a tool cannot exist in principle, the works are the key ingredient, so now please explain how we are not looking at these works being exploited commercially and copyright being violated. The output product is an automatically created der…

> especially since the tool is used to generate derivative works for profit (like in case of openai/microsoft).

Profit/nonprofit is irrelevant to copyright.

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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Post by throwaway290 »

efreak wrote: post #293
throwaway290 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

markov, shmarkov, either you need those original works or you don't. If you can build your markov chain without them please go ahead But we all know without these original works such a tool cannot exist in principle, the works are the key ingredient, so now please explain how we are not looking at these works being exploited commercially and copyright being violated. The output product is an automatically created der…

> especially since the tool is used to generate derivative works for profit (like in case of openai/microsoft). Profit/nonprofit is irrelevant to copyright.

Where (and more importantly how) do you live that you don't have fair use exception?

Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”

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Post by menro2 »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #7

Can you give a live example? What is in this ai.txt that isn't in an about page that almost every site has?

I've been thinking about ai.txt more as rss - just beginning to vet the ideas and process" https://github.com/menro/ai.txt
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