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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by bitL »

howinteresting wrote: post #284
bitL wrote: post #226

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...or maybe it's just market segmentation to give PC plebs inferior tech? You seem to be proud of being what some marketing exec views as an unimportant low-margin value segment only good for getting rid of old stuff.

I think the actual market segmentation is Apple charging a 300-400% markup for storage. Framework's prices are far more honest and you can always bring your own M.2s as well.

Agreed, Apple practices are atrocious and Framework seems like a better deal. But it looks like they scavenged unsold displays made for Microsoft Surface and can't source other ones with the same aspect ratio/size but better anywhere.

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Post by bitL »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #269
codedokode wrote: post #49

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For 13" screen isn't that more than enough? I barely see pixel grid on 1080p display.

It's plenty. For comparison, Apple's M2 MacBook Air has a 13.6" 2560-by-1664 display.

M2 Air's retina resolution goes down to 1280x832 whereas Framework's to 1128x752 which is a notch worse in both dimensions.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by bitL »

forty wrote: post #265
bitL wrote: post #226

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...or maybe it's just market segmentation to give PC plebs inferior tech? You seem to be proud of being what some marketing exec views as an unimportant low-margin value segment only good for getting rid of old stuff.

It's probably an eye thing. I looked at higher resolution Macs carefully and I honestly cannot see the difference (despite not having known eyesight issues). I'm sure if I'd train my eyes enough I might end up seeing the difference, but I don't really see why I would want to train my eyes on that and then having to complain my whole life about standard screens not being good enough.

You might be right; I see pixels on 13" 1080p displays clearly so I simply have no choice.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by teruakohatu »

csdreamer7 wrote: post #290

I really like framework and I happy they are offering AMD. But I really struggle to recommend Framework after they were unable at this time to fix a hardware issue. The headphone jack will beep when sound turns on and off. Framework confirmed with me that the vendor intended for this and they were unable to fix it because of the parts shortage. It is so annoying I bought a USB C dac to play the audio in. The keyboard…

> The headphone jack will beep when sound turns on and off

How did this so-called vendor intended behaviour pass Q&A?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by Waterluvian »

Will a Framework laptop give me hardware decoded video in Chrome out of the box on Ubuntu Jammy?

I have an xps-15 from work and it’s basically impossible to do. I spent so many hours trying things suggested online. As a result my Ubuntu experience is: “no you can’t stream video on battery or if you want to do anything else at the same time.”

While I think I should be able to smoothly run video on any modern laptop with any modern browser, Linux is Linux and I paid nothing for it so I can’t be picky. But I’m this close to buying a Framework just so I can have this capability.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by hinkley »

Has anyone tried building a home cluster out of these motherboards?

For home clusters, quiet and low power are worth a hell of a lot more than they are in a data center.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by ketralnis »

i80and wrote: post #270
vhodges wrote: post #255

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Yes, decent iGPU. But no on an external GPU in the back since this is for the 13" which has no modular bay for internal GPU (They mean a USB4 -> PCIe dock for the external GPU). There IS a 16" coming that will let you plugin a dedicated GPU. I will probably order this (or it's next version) one for my machine in 18 - 30 months since mine is only ~6 months old. edit: and apologies if I mis-understood or am being pedan…

You can plug in an eGPU with this. From the post: > If you want to use an eGPU, you can do that too! This is because the Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots.

Right, that's exactly what they said

> no on an external GPU in the back since this is for the 13" which has no modular bay for internal GPU (They mean a USB4 -> PCIe dock for the external GPU).

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Post by zerohp »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #228
rektide wrote: post #191

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I can't find evidence it really made it out to consumers, & even less evidence there was any followup, but Intel did have a Xeon + Arria 10 GX FPGA chip, back in 2018: Xeon Gold 6138P with Arria 10 FPGA. https://www.anandtech.com/show/12773/intel-shows-xeon-scalab... At the hyperscaler level there's been a lot of adoption of SmartNICs, which are often FPGA based. That makes me feel like there's a pretty big market he…

Follow-on question, what makes FPGAs so dang expensive?

Large die area and low production volumes.

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Post by traverseda »

mardifoufs wrote: post #286
jeffbee wrote: post #66

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The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

Are there any technical advantages to doing that? I guess it makes the wifi chipset cheaper to manufacture, but wouldn't it increase the cost of the CPU?

I think it's part of the intel management system.

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Post by zamnos »

dcow wrote: post #133
zamnos wrote: post #103

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a couple possibilities off the top of my head, starting with actually working with other vendors, so it's not only them making them. Work on the whole supply chain - including recycling - for these things. do a "buy one give one" type deal to seed the hardware more widely. write a bunch of software for the device so there's even more of a draw to get one of these. develop an ARM board. All of these projects are non-t…

Lol wut? You want VCs to fund the creation/incubation of a laptop mainboard spec using equity from Framework just to spoon-feed other vendors into competition? I mean it kinda seems like the onus is on new vendors to work off the published specs and and with Framework as interest grows to codify a standard so they can be relevant. I’m sure Framework would love that. It’s really dumb to see people advocating for Frame…

Don't blame me you didn't understand the assignment. The question was, what more could framework do to make their mainboard more of a standard, and was asked in a way that implied that the comment's autjor could not imagine a way they could do more than they have already.

As to the VCs funding the endeavor, maybe you've heard of the open source movement? While funding is still sometimes slim, there are still businesses being funded "for the greater good", rather than primarily trying to enrich the executives. I'm also of the mind that funders of Framework knew what they were getting into. Their openness wasn't exactly a secret, nor would it have been from the board or any investors.

If Framework was able to move the needle on modularity and reusability (and thus poison less of the Earth *) of what was previously mostly ewaste, then even if they went bankrupt, it still would be progress for humanity and the founders can hold onto that for the rest of their lives.

* The 2nd R of environmentalism is reuse.

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