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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by JoshTko »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

I was wrong about violent crime, but was right about robbery, theft, burglary, and property crime significantly above averages (~50%).

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Post by txsoftwaredev »

sidibe wrote: post #139
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Also we are all so proud of being rational and data driven while ignoring the actual murder rate in SF, which is well below average in America. Now you can say that it's high relative to the rest of the world but most people here want to shit on SF relative to the USA too.

Literally.

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Post by Noughmad »

BurningFrog wrote: post #251
sharemywin wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just to be fair "mentally ill" and "in tech" don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I have no evidence beyond gut feel, but I think the tech population is probably above average in mental illness.

Above average in diagnosed and treated mental illness. You know, the kind that is way less violent than the other kind.

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Post by waboremo »

myrmidon wrote: post #177
Varqu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why is this downvoted? Are the numbers bad? This is suprising to me as non-American because Detroit reads to me "like gang-infested murdercity" and I would have expected San Francisco to do significantly better in crime numbers... Are the numbers misleading or IS criminality in San Francisco comparable to Detroit?

You can generally assume most statistics posted within any comment on any site are misleading, and to use that cynicism to assess the "numbers".

Just how it is on the internet, most people who post the "numbers" are doing so for a very specific intention, and it's not at all to highlight the objectivity of them. You'll want to get the source research yourself and see what they say about it, and usually most papers tend to be far more nuanced than "thing bad" or "thing good".

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Post by DoughnutHole »

BurningFrog wrote: post #251
sharemywin wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just to be fair "mentally ill" and "in tech" don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I have no evidence beyond gut feel, but I think the tech population is probably above average in mental illness.

If you're a techie then you're not mentally ill, you're eccentric.

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Post by bombcar »

joering2 wrote: post #161

"Help!" he shouted, according to a local report. "Someone stabbed me." [1] He was in the car with suspect yet he says "someone stabbed me" ?? https://www.foxnews.com/us/cash-app-founder-bob-lee-died-ple... edit: it still doesn't make sense to me. If someone I know stabs me and I assume I have few minutes to live and call 911, I would say "help, Joe Doe stabbed me". I wouldn't say "someone", because that implies a str…

People writing the name of their murderer in blood on the floor is a murder-mystery staple; it is not real life.

In real life you're in shock and what you do is completely disconnected from what you think you would do. The "watch people die" video collections show that, someone can be obviously dying (massive gunshot wounds, etc) and they carry on like nothing happened until they fall over dead.

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Post by bigtex88 »

hermitdev wrote: post #201
cemerick wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

It's not just this tragedy, it's any tragedy. Every time there's a mass shooting, people use it as a rallying cry for more gun control, rather than focusing on fixing the issues that actually led to the violence (usually severe mental health issues), as if people haven't used knives or vehicles to commit mass murder/violence. Never let a good tragedy go to waste, so the saying goes.

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Post by spacemadness »

yardie wrote: post #237
IndoorPatio wrote: post #99

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Statistically, it was always more likely someone he knew.

If you saw last weeks comments you would think it was a homeless, drug crazed, criminal. One of the tops comments stated, with authority, it was someone homeless. And how the cops were not going to do anything about it.

HN really has a solid case of amnesia today regarding this.

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Post by screye »

cemerick wrote: post #172
stickfigure wrote: post #135

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It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! You'll just get your stuff stolen and your car vandalized!" I wouldn't feel so smug about that. I lived in SF for ~15 years, experienced multiple car breakins (when I had a car) and one weird guy who walked up to me on the street and said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" (which I somehow calmly ignored). For the record, I didn't com…

The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

On the other hand, I feel like it takes an incredibly public tragedy for a platform for HN to tolerate any discussions around SF crime.

People want to talk about crime, drugs & homelessness all the time. It is only in high profile cases where the issues seem topical, that HN can't discourage discussion around them.

> quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities

I don't see why speaking out about lack of police enforcement is seen as 'quasi-apocalyptic'.

> despite all available data contradicting that worldview

All available data is in favor of those speaking out about crime & drugs in west coast cities. Additionally, the eye test seems to portray a situation that's more dire than even the data might suggest. (underreporting, catch & release).

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