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Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by capableweb »

highduc wrote: post #276
capableweb wrote: post #101

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Way less specialized though. I think why most don't go for ASICs at this point, is because once you actually have units being produced, things have changed so much that you'd wish you had something more flexible. That's why general purpose GPUs are used today.

Didn't this happen in mining? When finally they got their machines new better tech came out already.

Well, Bitcoin ASICs are still the beast when it comes to Bitcoin mining. Some other cryptocurrencies use other methods for mining, so those ASICs won't work for that, but who's to say what's the better tech in the cryptocurrency space :shrug:

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Post by speed_spread »

samwillis wrote: post #70
naillo wrote: post #65

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More like FTX-supported. They got half a billion in investment from them according to an earlier blog post by Anthropic.

I believe I read somewhere that that investment may have to be returned.

Hence the race to an AI smart enough to figure out a way to keep the money.

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Post by pixl97 »

Xelynega wrote: post #285
pixl97 wrote: post #125

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You're forgetting that AI has not been trained on YouTube yet and that's the next big thing. Multi-modality still has a lot of gas left in it.

I don't think there's enough third world countries to categorize and sanitize a dataset from YouTube. Meta would have to "give internet" to a few more before we can start dreaming that big.

You've not been paying much attention then... AI is doing a huge amount of classification on it's own these days.

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Post by ryan93 »

omneity wrote: post #62
preommr wrote: post #31

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Is it? I think the recent release of ChatGPT has skewed perceptions. There's no guarantee that there's going to continue to be as ground breaking shifts that have happened recently with llms and diffusion models. To continue with the popular comparison, there were a lot of apps when the iphone first launced the app store before it tapered off. If you looked at just the first year, you'd think we'd have an app for eve…

Here's the catch, people are still adapting to GPT tech, still figuring out ways to make use of it, to include it in their workflows, etc. Social impact of ChatGPT even in its current form is only getting started, it doesn't need to progress at all to be super disruptive. For example, see the frontpage story about the $80/h writer who was replaced by ChatGPT, and that just happened recently, months after ChatGPT's fi…

GPT4 is really bad at writing. It is noticeably generic.

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dpflan wrote: post #110
rebolek wrote: post #84

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There may have been a disagreement, but now they're focused on profit, as everybody else. From the same article: “Anthropic has been heavily focused on research for the first year and a half of its existence, but we have been convinced of the necessity of commercialization, which we fully committed to in September [2022],” the pitch deck reads. “We’ve developed a strategy for go-to-market and initial product speciali…

This is hilarious to me, in that the disgruntled departure just did a 180… how long until the next disgruntled spin-out for higher reasons chases the dollar too…

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pyth0 wrote: post #241
visarga wrote: post #213

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You know what I believe is also a toy model? chatGPT Turbo, you can tell by the speed of generation. And it works quite well, so small size is not an impediment. I expect there will be an open model on the level of chatGPT by the end of the year because suddenly there are lots of interested parties and investors. Eventually there will be a good enough model for most personal uses, our personal AI OS. When that happen…

> I expect there will be an open model on the level of chatGPT by the end of the year because suddenly there are lots of interested parties and investors. I really don't think you understand just how absurdly high the cost is to train models of this size (which we still don't know for sure anyways). I struggle to see what entity could afford to do this and release it as no cost. That doesn't even touch on the fact th…

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Post by speed_spread »

dpkirchner wrote: post #93
xena wrote: post #40

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The main reason why companies don't allow NSFW content is because of puritan payment processors that see that stuff and then go absolute sicko mode and lock people out of the traditional finance system.

I think it's equally likely that they just don't want their product to be known as "the porn bot".

Why not? As long as it's not official. Bing was/is known as "the porn search engine" which never seemed to bother Microsoft.

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Post by 01100011 »

rsp1984 wrote: post #37

AI models are in a race to the bottom and everybody inside Anthropic knows it. Besides OpenAI, with billions to spend plus a partnership with MS, there's also Google, Apple, Meta and Amazon who can afford to run losses on AI for years without blinking an eye. And if that wasn't enough the Open Source world is releasing new models almost weekly now, for free. Anthropic is putting on a big show to convince gullible inv…

This sounds like saying "internet search engines are a race to the bottom" 20 years ago without realizing that someone may end up as Google and obtain market dominance for a decade or so.

It also sounds like you believe you have defined the bounds for what AI will be, and figure we'll just iterate on that until it's a commodity. I don't think AI will be that static. We're all focused on stable diffusion and LLMs right now but the next thing will be something else, and something else after that. As each new technique comes out(assuming they are all published), we'll see quick progress to incorporate the new ideas into various implementations, but then we'll hit another wall, and suddenly big budgets and research teams may matter again.

tldr is that it is way too early to make the cynical claim you are making.

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Post by jahewson »

dmix wrote: post #166
lightbendover wrote: post #121

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Truth is, and this applies to all companies regardless of size, is that you don't have to be first, best, biggest, fastest, or most well-known in order to win market share that out-paces your investment. The AI pie is going to be very, very big. To estimate this size, let's take McKinseys rough estimates of job displacement (~30% of ~60% of jobs, ~20% of work) and use that to estimate the actualized [US, apologies] G…

The AI (LLM) market as a whole is very immature, trying to guess today what it will look like in a decade based on the investments/behaviour of the first couple movers is pretty foolish. Even predicting for a specific submarket (ie, consumer LLM products like ChatGPT) is hard enough. Who knows what other categories could develop and be dominated by companies who narrow in on them and once the R&D progress starts flat…

The best way to predict the future is to invent it.

- Alan Kay

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Post by UncleEntity »

siftrics wrote: post #204
didgeoridoo wrote: post #22

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There is a language with massive usage in the enterprise but with very few (if any) high quality code examples on the public internet. When given a broad task, GPT4 doesn’t just write incorrect code, it tries to do entire categories of things the language literally cannot do because of the ecosystem it runs inside. Claude does a much better job writing usable code, but more importantly it does NOT tell you to do thin…

GPT4 has built and deployed an entire SaaS for me in a week. I already have users. The edits required were minimal --- maybe one screw-up for every 100 lines of code --- and I learned a lot of better ways to do things.

Which makes the “build vs buy” argument a whole lot more interesting.
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