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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

I feel conflicted whenever I see a comment like this. On the one hand, let's assume it's true: a Paytm employee acted negligently. But on the other hand, what if it's not true? What if you happen to have a friend or family member who works for a Paytm competitor, or you have some grudge against Paytm for whatever reason, and are instead spreading low-key FUD about the company to make it seem like they have lax data c…

Oh please. The comment was less about PayTM and more about tech companies being blasé about data privacy in general.

If I had a friend or family member who was an employee of such a publicly facing tech company, I’d be grilling them about their data security and privacy practices. I’ve been burned enough times by Indian companies so ridiculously free with their data sharing that I’ve stopped giving out my contact info to everything but the most essential of services.

Most Indians will lean towards believing the GP because they know how aggressively their personal data is being abused, unless Paytm comes out with concrete details of how they protect privacy inside and outside the firm.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

Or buy an old car. Of course there are tradeoffs with efficiency and safety, but I like having a car that's easy to work on and features no telemetry or smart features.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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So you would rather buy a car from one of the "Dieselgate" companies? > Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system. Tesla is doing it wrong. But Germany is also doing it wrong - just on the other extreme.

> one of the "Dieselgate" companies? There was only one "Dieselgate company", Volkswagen Group. BMW and Mercedes-Benz had nothing to do with it. And yes, I would rather buy a car that cheats on emissions tests than a car which spies on me. That's an easy choice (or would be, if I had any real confidence that VW cars truly don't spy on their users too. Which I don't.)

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

#294

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

That's horrific. I work for a fairly large payment processor and it takes multiple levels of approval and oversight from several levels of management to get time limited access to a production database or client interface - all access being logged and ticketed along the way. The idea that someone could just start looking up transactions for shits and giggles would be unheard of.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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I was at a hackathon once, and they had a startup fair, where various companies had their booths. One startup had created a student-management system for schools. And the rep was demoing the system. Except with live data. Showing pages of real students with their pictures, home addresses, etc! So, principles aside, the actions of companies are such that there can be no trust.

I once had a classified ad software hustle, and I needed customer data to debug things. But one of my customers was Canada's largest gay newspaper, and ts classifieds were highly sensitive. So I wrote a routine that obfuscated the database, changing all phone numbers to 555-xxxx, changing all names to random names of fruit (So a customer might become Banana Grapes, 416-555-1234), and a few other changes to hide other…

Aren't newspaper classified ads written specifically to be publicly disseminated?

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post #263

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks

I think Zuckerberg is a sociopath but this chat log often gets dredged up and it’s never been verified. It could be real but it could be an urban legend or an internet echo or the reincarnation of tubgirl.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

The cameras do not stream to Tesla. AT&T's cell towers would be crushed under the load

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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>So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. All well and good for you, and I don't fault you for making that decision for yourself. OP's stated requirement was... >not an always-connected surveillance device ... which without opting into the service, the Leaf is not. Happy to have OP clarify for themselves, though.

> always-connected I'm betting the car always connects, it's just whether or not you enable any benefits of the connection. Anyone with actual knowledge about cars with such devices willing to chime in? Edit: consider how the car knows whether or not you're paying for any service.

My understanding of OnStar is that you have to disconnect some things to -truly- disable it. (Probably to let people 're-subscribe' if they try to use the thing when they aren't current customers.)

Other systems... I can say my Maverick lets you select whether to have vehicle location data shared or not, but TBH I don't trust opt-outs. [0] I've also run into the issue on my said car, where my opt-outs got de-opted when the dealer runs updates.

[0] - Also as a side note, I've had at least one loan note in the past (from a larger bank) where they stated a tracking device may be placed in the vehicle. Not sure whether they sell that data.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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> Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. On paper. But there are plenty of examples of companies doing things that they shouldn't be doing.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The important question is: what would the consequences be to a German car manufacturer given similar circumstances?

German regulators are notoriously understaffed, see 'Wirecard'. I would not be surprised if there were no consequences at all until it hit the press or someone in a position of power was embarrassed.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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I've seen something very similar with medical data.

I've also seen the pendulum swing in the opposite direction. There was a demo for hospital software that was obviously using fake data. It was something like "Patient Name: Mickey Mouse SSN:123456789" An overzealous IT security manager literally covered the demo with his body until it was taken down. All under the pretense that "You never know, that could be someone's real information."

Well, at least Mickey's medical secrets are safe. He doesn't look like the BALB/cJ type to me anyway, but you never know.
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