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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Pretty sure dying early doesn't make you fat.

Americans are fatter because their food is toxic and their car centric lifestyle is sedentary and unhealthy

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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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I wish there could be a real discussion about this, not just the usual baseball stat geek comparers deflecting. Because in the end, this shows a failure of democracy. If everyone is worser off, is that society still a democracy, even if it has all the rituals and proudly proclaims itself so. And the answer is no. The dead do not care about virtual curves flying high about there miserable corpses. And those still living, have every right to rage against such a system and destroy it.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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The original article points out that the primary difference between the US and the UK (as well as other peer countries) is that you're much more likely to die young in the US. A 5-year-old in the United States has a 4% chance of dying before age 40, whereas a 5-year-old in Australia, Austria, Canada, England and Wales, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, or Switzerland has ~1% chance of dying before age 40 (val…

I don't think you have enough information to say this? Certainly that Americans die young, but that could be because American healthcare does worse for people between 5 and 40. Eg. You'd prefer to be in a car crash in Canada, because it's more likely that the healthcare will take better care of you

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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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"1 in 25 Americans being born will not make it to their 40th birthday." Wow. Actually impressed with the analysis backing this up. If you read the entire thread, he actually covers nearly every correlating factor I could think of. And it's pretty clearly drugs, guns, suicide, and cars. (The cardio health one doesn't seem as strong). The one that is crazy to me is the uptick in driving fatalities. Cars are an order of…

It’s the phones. I have to drive my kids regularly 45 minutes to school on a highway with very high accident rates. It is people staring at their phones approaching dangerous parts of the road with lots of sudden stops and interchanges. A sudden secondary effect - legal pot is leading to many more stoned drivers where I live (NJ).

Phones are not unique to US, though. They don't explain the gap.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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I bet phone usage is also a factor. Keep in mind that while we had cell phones for a while, it’s only within the past 10 years that the whole “distraction economy” became a thing, so while people may have used phones to communicate back in the day, nowadays they might be using the phones even more just to attend to those distractions.

With T9 you could send a text with your one hand in your pocket. Try that with an iPhone...

Text-to-speech is available on the iPhone, is it not?

And it probably has the same accuracy as the spellcheck on the T9, unless you meant to talk about the ducking ponyman in your text.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Youth suicide has always been pretty bad in the US and it's getting worse https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/youth-suicide-rates-are-... That's from 2019, numbers for the last 3 years are a little harder get but like attempts went up but deaths went down at least in most places but in a couple places deaths shot up a lot? https://www.nichd.nih.gov/newsroom/news/042722-COVID-adolesc... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us…

I was floored when I met some students from NYU who explained they've installed nets in the library because there have been so many suicides from people jumping. Yikes. Not exactly how I remember it.. but yeah. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nyu-bobst-library-suicides-al...

I remember when the exact same thing was used to berate Apple for working with Foxconn.

Looking at the date of the article, they were almost contemporary.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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I don't think you have enough information to say this? Certainly that Americans die young, but that could be because American healthcare does worse for people between 5 and 40. Eg. You'd prefer to be in a car crash in Canada, because it's more likely that the healthcare will take better care of you

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> Dangerously understaffed, underfunded. Patients dying in ambulances in hospital car parks because the hospitals (and all its corridors) are full.

It’s definitely underfunded (which healthcare system isn’t?) but the rest of this is hyperbole. The UK doesn’t have one hospital.

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>Everyone thinks they are a better driver than they are and the only way they'll end up in an accident is if someone else hits them. I hear this a lot and wonder how true it is because I personally think i am a horrible driver and can't wait until actually safe fully self driving cars take away my need to drive. on the other had a drive a small car and want a smaller one despite sharing the roads with behemoth raised…

Self driving cars are never coming in a form that would allow you to absolve yourself of responsibility for driving

"Never" is a long time.

Given the explanations I've been given for why demonstration videos of general purpose vision-based robots are still often sped up x4 or more (despite Tesla and Spot), I have to assume it's at least a few years away yet, but that's not never.

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I don't think you have enough information to say this? Certainly that Americans die young, but that could be because American healthcare does worse for people between 5 and 40. Eg. You'd prefer to be in a car crash in Canada, because it's more likely that the healthcare will take better care of you

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I don't think you have enough information to say this? Certainly that Americans die young, but that could be because American healthcare does worse for people between 5 and 40. Eg. You'd prefer to be in a car crash in Canada, because it's more likely that the healthcare will take better care of you

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Source? My anecdotal experience is that in the US people without much income will simply avoid seeing a doctor until things get Serious because of cost, which makes the quality of care somewhat irrelevant (and my other anecdotal experience was that Uk hospital quality was quite good, and as you mentioned, free).
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