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There's something off about LED bulbs

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Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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> "'Hungarian-made GE Básica bulbs ... with a bold stamp on the side reading, NOT FOR SALE FOR USE IN THE UNITED STATES."

This seems odd considering they surely can't be used in Hungary either. The EU started phasing out incandescent bulbs more than a decade ago!

Don't miss them, personally. LED lighting is excellent if you buy good quality ones. And I certainly don't miss having to periodically go around the house changing blown bulbs!

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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In my personal experience the LED bulbs at Home Depot are extremely expensive compared to traditional bulbs we used to buy. Don’t list anywhere near the advertised long lives. And are difficult to recycle and worse in landfill than the historical bit of glass and metal bulbs.

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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This is just an anecdote, but I’ve had multiple “10 year” LED bulbs fail after just a year or two. I suspect much of the claims for these bulbs are theoretical as they just don’t hold up, probably for reasons the grandparent poster is pointing out.

If we're sharing anecdotes - I've had my homes 100%(or close) LED equipped for over a decade now and never had a single LED bulb fail.

My understanding is that the quality of LED bulbs has been going down over time. In other words, newer bulbs are less likely to stand the test of time than older bulbs.

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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This is just an anecdote, but I’ve had multiple “10 year” LED bulbs fail after just a year or two. I suspect much of the claims for these bulbs are theoretical as they just don’t hold up, probably for reasons the grandparent poster is pointing out.

If we're sharing anecdotes - I've had my homes 100%(or close) LED equipped for over a decade now and never had a single LED bulb fail.

I think there might be something about the wiring in some homes. Some of my LED bulbs have been going for a decade now without issues. I have a few fixtures where bulbs keep hauling in specific sockets after a few months. I have one fixture in my bathroom where a bulb was fine for a few months and then two replacement bulbs failed instantly and three third one failed again after a year or so. Maybe the voltage is wrong and keeps breaking the power supply?

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just an anecdote, but I’ve had multiple “10 year” LED bulbs fail after just a year or two. I suspect much of the claims for these bulbs are theoretical as they just don’t hold up, probably for reasons the grandparent poster is pointing out.

If we're sharing anecdotes - I've had my homes 100%(or close) LED equipped for over a decade now and never had a single LED bulb fail.

Similarly, I started buying Philips Hue bulbs back around 2015 and none of those have failed in the time since, even being used every night since then.

They're all in freestanding floor lamps installed in a horizontal orientation, which might have something to do with it. That seems like it'd dissipate heat a lot better than e.g. a pot light housing in the ceiling.

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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I have heard that newer LED Bulbs now have some kind of built in obsolescence. This is from someone I know who is an engineer working for the US military. I told him I had bought some LEDs (started moving over 2 years ago) and that is when he mentioned that. I guess I will find out, so far so good. I did stock up on 100 watt incandescent years ago and have a many left just in case. I found LEDs cause me eye strain, b…

Traditional incandescent bulbs were not immune to planned obsolescence, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel “The cartel lowered operational costs and worked to standardize the life expectancy of light bulbs at 1,000 hours (down from 2,500 hours)..”

Planned obsolescence and fictitious durability scores are a class action lawsuit waiting to happen

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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It’s not MBAs place to set public policy though is it? If it’s the MBA’s fault at all it’s because they’re doing their job which is optimising the product to the market. If the markets not optimising the right things then that’s a failure in the market. Maybe the market is being manipulated somehow has it was for the old incandescent bulbs - but that’s not necessarily the fault of the management tier … some economise…

The problem is that people have a limited amount of caring and markets are really good at taking advantage of consumer ignorance. If you care about color rendering but don't know what color rendering is, you can't shop for it (and if you do know what it is you can't shop for it if it's not on the spec sheet).

> if you do know what it is you can't shop for it if it's not on the spec sheet

This drives me absolutely insane. When we were shopping for a TV for the living room a few years ago I wanted a 120Hz display. Finding one was a pain in the ass because all anybody wanted to list in marketing material was the backlight strobe rate; you had to dig and dig to find the panel rate.

No, I don't care that you can flash the backlight at a thousand Hz, I want an actual panel that's well synchronized with 24FPS content, and I don't want to spend hours of research to figure out which displays have one.

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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Check out https://www.waveformlighting.com/ for some very high quality LEDs and education about how they work.

I can't imagine paying $150 for a six pack, when Home Depot's private label LEDs are $12 for a six pack. I could replace it 10 times before I hit that mark - not sure it's worth that.

And this is the exact reason that the market for good quality LEDs is so small. You care about price but not light quality (primarily CRI but also flicker and dimmability). That's fine, it's totally your decision to make. But the two products are incredibly far from equivalent.

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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This is the frustrating thing about LEDs that IDK we can change. If there was a "DC" light socket in the house we could have LEDs outlasting owners, and for cheap. Nearly all the expense of LED bulbs is the power supply. Everything else is dirt cheap. A single home DC power supply with ~200W of output could light an entire house, flicker free. What's even more frustrating is I think we could fix it. A national regula…

Would this system need new electrical wiring ?

Yes. For the commercial DC lighting installations I've seen they were using power over ethernet. That's not necessarily the only way to deliver DC power but whatever you do it's going to be wired differently from 120 VAC.

Re: There's something off about LED bulbs

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I wish I could say that. I have a 3 year old house that is about 3k square feet wiht alot of bulbs. Every bulb installed was LED and I have replaced most of them at this point, and some more then once. I have even had the electrical company come out thinking there was something wrong with the power in my house or the breaker box. Nothing...

Lightbulbs are a bad form factor. I have some lights without bulbs and no issue. Meanwhile the halogen emulating LEDs break all the time.

Exactly. Luckily halogens were commonly installed in pots. So for longevity, replace the pot rather than the bulb.
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