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ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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no one around me can imagine that people would not google stuff anymore and use a chatbot instead, so why should they be worried about their business that is driven by web traffic from google? all the while they stop googling on their own and only using chatGPT personally. I think its a combination of not being able to imagine that this giant can fall like previous economic giants, in a rather short time, and things…

ChatGPT is slow, its usecase is quite narrow, average ppl do not give a fuck/doesn't help them that much, hype will die down. Google will be fine, they have their own solution and they have the biggest surface area where they can advertise their stuff. Just think back when chrome launched and they advertised it on the search front page. And their browser market share just went up and up. So they can only fuck this up…

> ChatGPT is slow

don't you think that Microsoft Azure engineers are right now working hard at scaling/tuning stuff from openAI? I see this as a solved problem soon

> its usecase is quite narrow, average ppl do not give a fuck/doesn't help them that much

I think you vastly underestimate whats going on. even the metro every day is full of people with GPT open on their phone/laptop/tablet, they use it for filling out some sonline form fields, tune cooking recipes, as some chat partner for fun (like a specific person as personal coach), pasting stuff they don't understand to let it explain, or even just summarize stuff before reading, and obviously also for responding to mails, I even saw someone copypasting in/from whatsapp

that product is not only valuable for everyone and his dog, its also free and highly accessible - not to mention cool right now. also THE fastest growing product in history, breaking all records

> hype will die down

the hype hasn't even started. most stuff, like multimodal, GPT4 or the new plugins/integrations aren't even accessible/known to most people out there. the actual hypetrain is still at the train station. Wait for when people casually _talk_ via voice with the bot and it makes some transaction for them, like a table reservation for lunch - especially what happens when other people see this on the streets.

> Google will be fine

its no longer growing (!), in march traffic even DROPPED by 1%, and the hype is still to come. google search is dying soon, its only a matter of months to be realized, and then wall street chicken runs start to drop the stock like a hot potato, you can already see the amount of options to short google popping up left and right. at some point its a self-fulfilling prophecy

> they have their own solution

Bard is utter garbage compared to even GPT3, and no one cares even what google does anymore in this space. you can see every announcement being basically ignored because something else is happening at microsoft/openAI - even on HN. Even IF they would be able to really nail the next-gen bot ahead of everyone, people wouldn't use it since its on the graveyard soon like everything else they launch nowadays.

> they have the biggest surface area

still the majority of millenials/genZ does its "search" via tiktok nowadays (not kidding), google is mostly a thing boomers use and think its cool for some reason. Now the chatbots enter the game and it's basically game over for that "surface area". They still have some longform-tiktok (youtube) and of course android - the latter one they can't really leverage because of antitrust the day they try it (see microsoft/internet explorer in the 90s)

> Just think back when chrome launched

this was really a great product to be fair - I personally evangelized it. Now I mostly regret it and, aside from gmail, have degoogled and help people all around me to do the same.

> So they can only fuck this up and that would be quite a feat

they are already fucking this up. to the point they currently can't do anything anymore against it, except they find a new business model soon that can cover the lost profits from imploding search/ads - but I see no indication they are able to do that level of productization, and haven't been for many years.

Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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What happened in 2003?

Nothing particular. I just don't remember major successful and speedy product launches from Google after 2003. In that year, Google launched Google Maps, shocking the IT world for how effective AJAX can be, even though the tech itself was invented by MS. Maybe GMaps was so impressive that I forgot what other major launches were after that.

> tech itself was invented by MS

You could load to IFrame (but then have to rewrite it in IE for some reason, NS was fine with that - if knowing a way to avoid that layout flush bug after resize..) years before that, as I did.

In my opinion XMLHttpRequest made more damage than help by forcing JS as the only way of doing similar things instead of letting bugs that what was there already to be fixed - so now, you can not even imagine, I guess, how all that could be different - mostly without need of JS and browser able to handle it..

Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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This comes at the price of now both OpenAI and Wolfram getting access to your queries (when you use the plugin, of course). I’m hoping we don’t slide into a future where you either have to give up on confidentiality and privacy or else can’t use any “modern” tools anymore.

> a future where you either have to give up on confidentiality and privacy

are you a time traveller from the past?

Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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It’s per 100km. I tried a few prompts, wolfram didn’t get it right!

Sorry! Totally missed that! Indeed it seems more difficult.

In the end this sorta works: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=convert+%285+mpg%29+to+...

Because way down in the "Corresponding quantities" it shows "0.47 L/km" and "47 L/100 km"

:)

Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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I don't think OpenAI's lead is holding Google back. Companies are held back by their own mentalities, and newer companies have fewer restrictions. As an example, Google supposedly had better text-to-image models than DALL-E/Midjourney/etc, but didn't release them because they "reinforced harmful stereotypes". It's also probably holding back on LLM because it doesn't want to harm its search cash cow, just like Kodak d…

Do you have a source for that bit about the woke "reinforced harmful stereotypes"? Curious, as I've seen a few statements along the same lines, but nothing concrete yet. Very keen to know more.

https://imagen.research.google/ “Limitations and societal impact”

Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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ChatGPT is slow, its usecase is quite narrow, average ppl do not give a fuck/doesn't help them that much, hype will die down. Google will be fine, they have their own solution and they have the biggest surface area where they can advertise their stuff. Just think back when chrome launched and they advertised it on the search front page. And their browser market share just went up and up. So they can only fuck this up…

> ChatGPT is slow don't you think that Microsoft Azure engineers are right now working hard at scaling/tuning stuff from openAI? I see this as a solved problem soon > its usecase is quite narrow, average ppl do not give a fuck/doesn't help them that much I think you vastly underestimate whats going on. even the metro every day is full of people with GPT open on their phone/laptop/tablet, they use it for filling out s…

The problem is that the bottleneck is the human. You have to know a way to formulate the question and need creativity in order to benefit from it in order to expand your horizons. It will be like tiktok, and onlyfans, where people are copying each other and mirroring what they saw others do or press writes about. So in essence the masses will be on the same level all the time. One upside, that maybe this might help elevate the general level of knowledge of the masses (just like tiktok/yt shorts does in its own way), so we'll see.

GOOG's advertising revenue is around 220 bln. Ms's ad revenue from ChatGPT is around 0-1 bln right now. So you are a bit over enthusiastic right now.

Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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In the end I think LLM's will not be used on their own much, and instead more as glue for bringing together a whole bunch of other technology and allowing it to be coordinated with plain English.

You can say the same thing about humans... our greatness over the rest of the animal kingdom comes from tool use. Microsoft researches just put out a paper about 'proto-AGI' in the last 24 hours or so, and tool use was a big part of the paper.

Lots of animals use tools. Our "greatness" comes from our ability to compose tools, which is achieved by the ability transfer tools, which is achieved with... language.

That "glue" is a superpower.

Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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> ChatGPT is slow don't you think that Microsoft Azure engineers are right now working hard at scaling/tuning stuff from openAI? I see this as a solved problem soon > its usecase is quite narrow, average ppl do not give a fuck/doesn't help them that much I think you vastly underestimate whats going on. even the metro every day is full of people with GPT open on their phone/laptop/tablet, they use it for filling out s…

The problem is that the bottleneck is the human. You have to know a way to formulate the question and need creativity in order to benefit from it in order to expand your horizons. It will be like tiktok, and onlyfans, where people are copying each other and mirroring what they saw others do or press writes about. So in essence the masses will be on the same level all the time. One upside, that maybe this might help e…

1) pretty sure microsoft is willing to operate at a loss when there is a chance to destroy google in the process - comparing billions is not wrong but irrelevant here

2) there is a significant chance that lets say 25% revenue loss occurs within a single quarter once the actual hypetrain starts moving - which will freak out wallstreet - and an uncontrolled downward spiral happens in a very short amount of time including panic reactions and sudden lawsuites further fueling the downfall of the giant.

... and i will do whatever I can to support that, and many people I know can't wait for that to happen, too.

Re: ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha

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This is mind blowing. No mention of "cost" or "price" though, I wonder what we'll be looking for (subscription, or per-use).

ChatGPT harkens back to the playful and exploratory experience jumping on the early Internet of the 1990s. They have something great, and I just sincerely hope they find a monetization scheme that does not devolve into the pile of degenerate IQ-melting garbage like Google/Facebook/TikTok. Traditional Search, as we knew it, is dead.

I sincerely hope they fail to monetize it at all and go bankrupt, though that certainly won't happen. What we have here is a tool which can 10x productivity, into which the world will willingly pour all their data, and it's entirely closed source and run by Microsoft. This is a pants-on-fire existential threat to the precarious situation we currently have where it's possible - barely - to do actual commercial work on computers you entirely control.
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