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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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The customization goes further than just yes/no to the number pad. Looks like a whole "Input Module system" that could open up opportunities for different keyboard designs (DVORAK, various locales, maybe different switches?). I love this idea, excited to see what folks do with it. Makes me think of Apple's Touchbar nonsense -- why force a number pad, or a second touchscreen on folks who don't want one? Such a good it…

https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/qmk_firmware If this is anything to go off of, then it seems like they are going to support embedding full QMK enabled input devices. Extremely exciting!

Very exciting indeed. Thank you for pointing this out.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I’m one of the chorus. I actually preordered a TOTL Asus Zephyrus Duo about a month ago, and it came in last week. It’s been a dream so far — 16 real cores of AMD 7945HX, laptop 4090, hybrid graphics, two real screens! Main display is a quite color-accurate 16:10 miniled with 240hz freesync, lower display is a high-PPI IPS touch panel, dual raid-able M2 slots (I put in dual WD SN850Xs in raid0 and that’s showing ~14.…

Why even try to use the hardware raid? I can't imagine it actually performs any better than mdraid, and with mdraid the drives are as portable as plain drives. You could destroy the special laptop and stick the drives into usb enclosures and access the array again on any other machine.

Good call. I have manually repaired a few mdadm arrays in my time that would have surely been complete losses in the hardware RAID systems I've encountered.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

Is one of the models of CPU available the 7840HS? This sounds fantastic, I very well may buy a Framework laptop later this week/weekend. EDIT: Their site came back up, after reading the blog post I pre-ordered the Ryzen 7 13" to be my new Linux laptop.

They don’t list the specific AMD Ryzen chips. This is the primary reason I refuse to preorder, I need to know exactly what I’m ordering before I do.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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> I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro https://frame.work/linux > Officially supported > Fedora 37 > Ubuntu 22.04 LTS

Perhaps it's not updated yet, but I don't see AMD in that list.

I run Fedora 37 on my AMD Ryzen 6800 Zephyrus G14 just fine. Both the GPU and CPU are fully supported, along with AMD’s chipset.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Which makes Apple wrong, my left pinky expects control there ;-p imo (even though I remap capslock to control). As for Emacs on Mac, I was forever closing the window instead of cutting since ALT and Command are in the wrong order (again for me). I now use an external keyboard which helps.

Heh, I guess old habits die hard. I first began using Emacs on a Mac keyboard, so now I am too used to it. I guess my rant is more of a wish for Framework or some other manufacturer to offer this kind of layout, without needing a software solution like xmodmap. The moment Framework sells keyboards with modifier keys in the "correct" spot is the moment I'm ditching my Macbook.

:-D There was someone working on firmware that could remap keys (let me see if I can find a link... Welp, it looks like it can be remapped bios today

https://community.frame.work/t/framework-and-open-source/107...

and the firmware is open source https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController)

and https://community.frame.work/t/changed-my-keyboard-layout-in...

I never did find the post I was thinking of (EDIT: Maybe this one: https://community.frame.work/t/a-qmk-configurable-keyboard/2...)

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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AMD have been thrashing Intel in performance, thermals and battery life for several years now. Intel are also a rather unpleasant company, I'll happily go with a competitor whenever it makes sense.

That changed recently, 13th gen intel remains to be beaten.

In what? High-end desktop CPU performance? I don't think people in this thread is interested in that.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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> MXM is an 'open-ish' standard that others build for NVidia hasn't made MXM compatible GPUs for at least 5 years.

Yes but the standard still exists. There are PCIe 4.0 GPUs out there in MXM format. It is just PCIe.

MXM is alright for upgrading, but it's not modular the way this aims to be.

This includes cooling, so a small GPU could have smaller heatsinks and a beefy GPU could have huge heatsinks.

And if you don't want the GPU and the associated power draw plus the size and weight of the heatsinks, you can swap it for another module if you don't want to game on the go.

As they said in their presentation, it's not just for GPUs. You could have a supplemental battery. They will offer a storage expansion that gives you more M.2 slots. Hypothetically you could even just make a module that lets you fit a desktop GPU on the back, if you provided external power.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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i don't play videogames and i don't do ai/ml, video editing or whatever. i spend most of my time in firefox and in terminals. i do use virtual machines quite a lot to test stuff around, so high cores count and high memory would be a plus for me. but an nvidia gpu is a deal breaker for me. I just don't want it. I don't need it, i don't use it, it just makes the whole thing less usable. and it draws a lot power that i'…

I mean, in a laptop, you dont use the dGPU on battery unless its for compute, period. It should just be sitting there turned off (which indeed means you dont want it). But if its sucking any power, thats a bug. That being said, Firefox and Chromium use the integrated GPU more than you think, and they feel faster with a stronger IGP. Just try disabling some of the gpu acceleration and see how it feels.

That is not how GPU multiplexing works on Laptops. My dGPU most certainly works on battery, though I can directly disable it if I like (or use a power saving power plan).

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Tell me you work in ops with out saying you work in ops. :-) Btw, this is excellent advice. Funny story, I have a FreeNAS device and the motherboard died and I thought "Oh my, I need to bring my ZFS volumes up on another machine, but I didn't have another machine with 6 SATA bays! I ended up having the drives all sitting out on the workbench connected a mainboard with 8 SATA ports so that I could create an archive of…

Heh, you were "lucky": I had a 4-drive NAS that died on me, and no motherboard lying around at all, let alone one with 4+ SATA ports. I bought four cheap SATA-USB3 adapters, plugged them into two USB3 hubs, which I then plugged into the two USB3 ports of a Raspberry Pi 4, and arranged it all quite precariously in a small cardboard box that I cut holes into for airflow. Performance was terrible, of course, but it work…

The portability doesn't end with sata or usb ports.

With generic software raid (mdadm), even if you only had a single usb port and a single internal drive, you could image all the drives one at a time and then access the array of images on the single big drive. (not uncommon since usually time has passed by the time something fails)

It also goes the other way if you needed it to. Say a single array member was 4T but you only have a bunch of 1T drives, no problem, you can assemble 4 1T drives into a 4T container to hold the 4T image, and then use that image as an aray member itself.

Even if you don't have any loose external drives, you could even do it all via network shares with pieces residing on all of your other family members laptops and desktops, or every desk in an office, while they all still continue running windows and doing their normal jobs I mean.

Some of the possibilities are slow or fragile or both, so of course you don't set out to use 12 usb2.0 ports, but the point is essentially anything is possible, and you don't have to worry about predicting or planning for every possibility, you just don't have to care about how you'll recover the array in the future because it doesn't matter what form storage takes at that time, or what form you happen to have available. It would almost never make sense to do some things, but the point is that mdadm just doesn't care.

For a machine with only 2 or 4 internal drives where you want to use raid0 for max throughput, and don't want to rely on any special firmware support for booting raid0, just partition the drives so that /boot is a small raid1 across all the same drives, so that any of the drives could boot. Bonus, it automatically makes all the members of your main raid0 slightly smaller than the drive's nominal size, which means you can always fit them onto some other replacement drive later, even if the different manufacturers count bytes and formatting overhead differently.

I come from the days of sco unix on scsi hardware raid with full featured expensive cards and I do not miss it.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I wonder what's the width of the 16" version. Too bad that input configurability doesn't extend to the touchpad. I would love to be able to pick one with three physical buttons. Well, at least I could have a laptop without the numberpad.

While we didn’t show a Touchpad module alternative, the Touchpad module does slide off, making alternatives technically possible. We’ll share documentation around this module as well soon.
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