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Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #281
CatWChainsaw wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>in 2020 they hardcoded the path to the EFI of their laptop to be windows only. So you can't install Linux at all on HPs post-2020?

cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi 1>/dev/null 2>&1 cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi 1>/dev/null 2>&1 :D

Unlike most of HN I am not a "computer person". I know not to click on suspicious links and that's about all that can be said of me. So I'm not sure if you're giving me a hint, or doing the equivalent of telling me to delete System32!

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by acuozzo »

haylem wrote: post #170

I'm honestly a bit confused by the comments. I've had and installed only 5 home printers over my entire life (excluding professional printers at works) One was an already refurbished dinosaur from Xerox. 1 was a canon (would have to look for the model). The other 3 are HP LaserJet 100 Color MFP M175nw. All 5 have lasted over 10 years, the MFPs being the youngest at 12 years. That Xerox one was still going with after…

> 1/ What do you people do with their printers?

I mostly use it to print labels for sales from my eBay store.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by danaris »

esperent wrote: post #39
Algemarin wrote: post #29

What I find notable whenever something like this is in the news, is that these user-hostile features don't just manifest through abiogenesis, or spontaneous generation. User-hostile features are created by people. Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature - whether it's locking down printers or any of the countless other examples that come up on a we…

> Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature We don't need an AMA, we already know the answer. Money. The company exists to make money. The fact that it also creates printers is a side effect, not its primary purpose. Once you look at it in this way, there's nothing confusing about user hostile features. They exist to further the primary purpose of th…

> The company exists to make money. The fact that it also creates printers is a side effect, not its primary purpose.

The thing is, this didn't used to be the case. This is a relatively recent occurrence, and absolutely not the natural order of things.

Once upon a time (yes, this is very long ago), charters were granted to corporations for specific purposes, and if you didn't propose a useful company, you wouldn't be allowed to incorporate.

Sure, there have always been people with skewed incentives and decision making processes, but on the whole, until the past few decades, the basic idea of a company was always "create a product or provide a service; if you do it well, you will profit."

In more recent time, as you say, for far too many, that has turned around into "make as much money as possible; creating a product or providing a service is a necessary evil to that end, and we must trim it to the bone to extract every last cent of profit."

This obviously is antithetical to a healthy, functioning society and economy. It incentivizes all sorts of ultimately destructive behaviors, far beyond the stuff described in the article.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by Foobar8568 »

jp0d wrote: post #166
Foobar8568 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Kyocera P5021cdn, I can't complain but I am not a power user, it has been there for a bit over than one year, I wanted a "cheap"/network printer with a perceive good quality.

Thanks mate. I'm in Australia and have seen these products online. Most of of them have good reviews. Could I bother you with a few more questions? 1. Have you replaced the toner yet? Does it accept non-brand toners (like the ones from InkStation?)? 2. Does the printer come with a full toner? As it with 100% capacity or does it only come with 20 to 30% like some of the other brands? 3. Being a colour printer, does it…

Hello,

I haven't replaced the toner yet, Kyocera doesn't recommend to use 3rd party one. I am not sure if I will go with original one as the one from my printer was supposed to be rate for 1200 pages, but the black has 35% ink left after printing 220 "black" pages, and CMY@65% after 350 full color pages.

Supposedly, it could print with only the black toner through a setting, but people online complained they couldn't.

I think I will try the 3rd party toner, it's basically 80CHF per toner, 350CHF to replace the 4 of them, which would be over the cost of the printer itself, but they are rated for 2200 pages vs 1200 for included one.

Finally, I am a bit wary on the long term support from the manufacturer, my printer is not listed anymore on their website, nor their official compatible toner.

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Post by smarnach »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #291
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi 1>/dev/null 2>&1 cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi 1>/dev/null 2>&1 :D

Unlike most of HN I am not a "computer person". I know not to click on suspicious links and that's about all that can be said of me. So I'm not sure if you're giving me a hint, or doing the equivalent of telling me to delete System32!

They explained how to trick HP laptops with hard-coded EFI paths into booting Ubuntu anyway. This will overwrite the Windows EFI, so only try this at home if you know what you are doing.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by aetherspawn »

I keep getting told the #1 reason that Fuji Xerox printers die is the non genuine toners.

If that’s the case, is it evil to restrict cartridges to protect the image of your brand? If I was manufacturing enterprise printers, I would probably say no.

With manufacturers taking the absolute cheapest and minimum effort possible to manufacture things, and yet being nearly indistinguishable from the real deal online (think: all the dodgy portable hard drives on Amazon that are either just interfaces to SD cards or just fake), can you blame them?

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Post by kube-system »

RajT88 wrote: post #264
ashton314 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked at things like power line adapters? I’ve got one and it works brilliantly. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication

Powerline does not work in my home for reasons I can only speculate. It would take hundreds of dollars of tooling to figure it out. To the gent suggesting Moca - an option generally, but no coax in the office. I think a pi or small wireless bridge will probably be the way to go. Or I will talk my wife into letting me drill another hole in the floor.

A pi with CUPS installed will work fine.

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Post by sliken »

Algemarin wrote: post #29

What I find notable whenever something like this is in the news, is that these user-hostile features don't just manifest through abiogenesis, or spontaneous generation. User-hostile features are created by people. Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature - whether it's locking down printers or any of the countless other examples that come up on a we…

I do wonder whose fault it is though.

Companies exist to make a profit. I'm sure some extra returns are caused by 3rd party laser and ink cartridges. I've personally seen a 3rd party toner cart have some kind of internal failure and strip the drive gear in the printer.

Just like the EU is requiring USB-c to charge a phone, governments should consider requiring a standard ink and toner cartridge. It would reduce inventories, increase volumes, amortize R&D over a greater number of printers, and increase competition for the standard cartridge. The standards committee (like the USB committee) could set the standards, have branding/labeling for particular features, and talk with industry about desirable features for the next generation.

I just hope they avoid doing something insanely stupid like making dozens of USB-c cables, visually identical, but incompatible.

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Post by smsm42 »

lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

Been using Brother printers for years, never had any issues. Surprisingly, in our times, they just keep making printers that work. I don't know how long this would last, but I am planning on staying with them while it does.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by smsm42 »

kqr2 wrote: post #40
lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

According to this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131 , Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia ? If so, that's unfortunate.

Ugh too bad. I guess I'll be happy with my old one and hope it lives very long life.
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