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Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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post #20

Frankly getting tired of hearing about how I haven't heard about it, and nobody wants me to hear about it. If you want to write about news, write about it. If you want to point out instances of news media not covering this story where they might have covered other stories go for it, cite instances. All I've been convinced of so far is some people have an axe to grind, and part of their narrative is how the media or t…

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

#292
post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from another thread, https://time.com/6238361/joe-biden-rail-strike-illegal/

Can you quote the part where union leaders are warning about something in the way the grandparent describes? I’m not seeing it.

I mean it's not a union leader but it is about train derailment in northeast ohio

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1625295841769431046

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

#293

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I got to know, do the pro coal crowd really want to live down wind of a coal power plant when they will be run by the same business processes and deregulation that lead to this disaster, Fukushima, the BP oil rig disaster, etc?

Coal is dying on it's own, the free market has decided. I have zero problem living down wind of solar panels and wind turbines

Coal is only "dying" in areas with access to cheap natural gas. It's currently not being replaced by renewables. Developing countries still build a lot of coal plants.

Total global electricity generation from coal has nearly doubled since year 2000. In absolute terms the amount of new coal based electricity from coal increased by almost 5TWh from 2000 to 2021, about twice as much as wind+solar combined. (Also natural gas based electricity grew by 3.5TWh in the same period).

As long as Russia is being sanctioned and Canada refuses to export their NG, I expect coal to continue to grow.

Maybe someday in the future, wind+solar can provide stable electricity supply without relying on fossil fuels for the non-windy cloudy days (and nights). Like nuclear has been able to since the 70s.

Nobody knows exactly when, though. But simply based on the mining capacity of critical minerals, it's really unlikely to happen within 20 years at a large scale. The world is simply not planning enough mines.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

#294

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Because the guilty party are ad buyers.

Don't think Norfolk Southern is a big ad buyer.

I'm pretty sure the only way I know their name is from their commercials on CNN, tbh

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

#295
post #275

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The rail industry is regulated. In certain ways over and in certain ways under. Eg, there's very little sense to the requirements a passenger train needs to reach to run on the same rails as freight, and Europe does it safely all the time.

Not so much a matter of safety as that it’s the freight railroads that own the rails, whereas is most of Europe the infrastructure is mostly government owned, or in some cases was and is now (sorta) privatized but still under a sort of open access model.

That's a different, orthogonal issue. Look it up there's a bunch of tedious FRA rules about crash-worthiness which Europe doesn't have. It makes the trains which can legally run needlessly expensive and they wear out the tracks faster. The rules don't apply to metros and subways, but if the tracks have any switch anywhere connecting to the national network then FRA rules apply to the whole system. The result is that planners can't extend their metro via shared freight corridors. There are plenty of regulations already, and in some cases they are clearly counterproductive. Proposing to solve things by putting more regs on the pile is a dubious proposition.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

#296
post #157

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I searched for this. There are 4 pieces in the NYTimes alone. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/us/train-derailment-fire-... https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000008756189/ohio-train-... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/06/us/ohio-derailment-chemic... https://www.nytimes.com/article/ohio-train-derailment.html?s...

So people keep pointing to NYTimes stories, but I go on the Time's site at least 2-3 times daily, spread throughout the day, and I still have not seen a single story on the Time's main page. I'm not going to call it "front page" now because there are around ~130 stories there. Not one of those 130 stories there currently cover this. Ctr-F "train", "Ohio", "Palestine" etc. In those 130 articles there are the Wirecutte…

That basically shows a lack of interest from readers. The NYTimes publishes a newspaper worth of articles and opinion pieces daily. And then they add a whole bunch of videos, cooking stuff, reviews (wire cutter), sports (athletic) online.

Most of it gets surfaced largely by algorithm. And it’s evident the algorithm is not tracking any interest from readers.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

#297
post #225

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For that last part, some people are worried it might not be. I don't claim to know enough about it to say who is right, but the people there are understandably concerned about what to watch for and want more info. Some of that might be worrying too much, but hey, a train full of hazardous chemicals did just explode out there. It's not like we can't point to a time when things were majorly screwed up in a way that did…

> some people are worried it might not be Absolutely. But the problem is slow, silent and lurking in the dark. (It's also safely localized.) I'm not saying this issue deserve eyeballs. Just that there is no evidence of a scheme to suppress. The cold, dark reality is most Americans aren't interested in the long-term health of a 5,000-strong Ohio town from an accident in which nobody died, for which there is no partisa…

> It's also safely localized

... It sure as fuck isn't. You need to get more news sources than CNN and the EPA.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

#298

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WA state passed a law that says a cop cannot chase a suspect unless they committed a violent crime. This resulted in a surge of crimes where the suspect driver just flips off the police and drive off. Common crimes resulting from this: 1. catalytic converter thefts 2. thieves steal a car, ram it into a store, loot the store, drive off in another stolen car

And yet almost all the rest of the world has these rules, and we don't see crime waves. To me, you're describing the incompetence of your police forces. > thieves steal a car, ram it into a store, This is really considered a non-violent crime in the US? I live in a city where car chases would be impossible. And yet there are criminals here, and they have a higher apprehension rate than in the US. If this crime happen…

It's most likely 3 different violent crimes according to FBI:

Definition. In the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses that involve force or threat of force.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

#300
post #5

I've heard about this, but it is surprising how little coverage it gets compared to other things. If you were to tally up how much airtime each news story gets, plotted against the general tone of the coverage, you'd probably come up with something resembling the news room agenda (you'd also have to weigh it against other stories developing at around the same time). I have to wonder why a story of environmental disas…

If anyone has insider information about this train derailment, and the decision to set it alight, or the political background (or any of the other three train derailments this week), you should contact James O'Keefe at project... oh, er, never mind.
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