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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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wild how so many companies are laying off 7-15% of their workforce in such quick succession

I assumed that once a critical mass of other companies in this industry make these moves, investors expect this kind of cut from all of them. They'll presumably invest elsewhere if your company doesn't make this cut.

Wild to see cargo culting so obviously in action

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

this is terrifying. for all the grief people give Slack, I've used both and I would seriously consider leaving a company that expected me to use Teams long term.

You might change your mind if you saw the Slack bill. A medium size org is easily being charged over $1MM/year.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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vscode would be dropped like a stone

Not until there is a viable alternative. But with the integration of Github Co-Pilot, they can now make subscription fees from all of those users of VSCode.

Sublime Text was my go-to for a long time, and still is when I'm not working on a formal project.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I'm not kidding, one of the reasons I left my last job was when our parent company forced Outlook, Sharepoint, and Teams on us (vs. Google mail, Google Drive, and Slack). That change on its own isn't the worst thing of course, there were other reasons why I was considering leaving, but it was definitely one of the last straws. Those MS solutions are just worse than the competition, and getting frustrated at your bugg…

I'm curious whether this approach to career/job selection is sustainable in a downturn. You can do this kind of "I quit because..." thing if you have many opportunities and options. But when things are tight? Good luck to you, as they say. One aspect of where I work (large old tech company) is that we value those that can adapt. You aren't judged as much by your skill set as you are by how you use your skills or work…

They didn't say they'd never work somewhere with MS tools, just that that was part of the reason for leaving. I totally get it. If your employer is telling you a major part of your job is communication and giving you bad communication tools it's like if you got hired to be a chef and were given a camping stove.

There's certainly folks who enjoy the challenge or adaptation, but it does show a certain attitude towards the work and workers if your management doesn't think you need good tools to do the job well.

I'd stick around in a bad job if I thought I couldn't get something better, but it definitely means I'm looking to leave when things recover.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Officies, especially the great ones (as in also very expensive) create an irrational emotional attachment and are very hard to downsize on them without impacting morale.

It’s disturbing to think that people think human connection is irrational. I guess y’all forgot that that was how labor unions were formed.

It's not that the human connection is immoral, it's just that paying rent and heating for a pretty empty office space doesn't make much sense. As long as there is sufficient space for all the employees that want to go to the office, being against downsizing doesn't make much sense.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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post #7

Fortune now confirming: https://fortune.com/2023/02/09/github-is-laying-off-10-of-st...

>i) Effective immediately, we will be moving laptop refreshes from three years to four years. ii) We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing, saving significant cost and simplifying cross-company and customer conversations Layoffs and having to use teams? Talk about a morale hit

I wonder why they are not talking about the elephant in the room, the AWS spend. Cut back on that and these layoffs probably aren't necessary. The problem is the sheer size of GitHub data and the unreliability of Azure. There is an entire datacenter that is unused because data locality severely limits performance.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Teams is the result of Microsoft taking a look at Slack and saying, how can we make this feel more like Excel?

I don't see where is that a problem? People who will be using Teams are people using Office 365 daily. Having a cohesive ecosystem makes complete sense. From a UX too.

It's not a cohesive ecosystem. Office + Zoom + Slack* is way more cohesive than Office + Teams. There are specific complaints, but overall one part of it is just the "tool that does one thing well" vs Frankenstein that tries to do everything idea

*except I can't copy paste images from slack into office documents, this is a major hassle

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