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The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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You have an 18 year old son without a mobile phone? I would think it is at least needed for all the logins requiring SMS 2FA.

Yes. They gave him an iPad, but none of their systems use SSO of any kind. He doesn't really care for the iPad, doesn't have a mobile phone, and doesn't do social. He does do Minecraft, KSP, and Davinci Resolve.

Well then it must be Minecraft.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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I think this idea that the teen mental illness epidemic began in 2012 is probably wrong. What is far more likely is that society began to open up more to these ideas, more people got diagnosed than before, and more young people identified with these struggles and felt more comfortable talking about them.

Susanna Kaysen's 1993 mental health memoir "Girl, Interrupted", which recounts her experience as a young female adolescent struggling with mental health in the late 1960s, for example, received an enormous amount of renewed attention and interest when it was adapted into a film in 1999.

The popularity of that film really opened up the conversation for a lot of young people in the 2000s, but even before that, similar struggles by teens were covered in the 1967 novel "The Outsiders", which also was adapted into a film in 1983, and if memory serves, there was also a similar rise in reports of an epidemic in the 1980s.

I’m not saying that any of these books or movies led to a mental health contagion, I’m saying that the struggles that today’s teens are going through have always been there, but in the past, they were either ignored or hidden away. Today, everything is shared far more widely and freely, which is why it looks like teens are suffering more than the past.

I also think if you go back into the literature of the past, you’ll find these same mental health concerns expressed just about everywhere. It’s just that instead of talking about them, they did everything possible to hide them away. Let’s not forget Bertha Mason, the character in the 1847 novel Jane Eyre, who was locked away in a room in a house. We are no longer doing that to people so it seems like there is a new epidemic at work, when it’s always been with us.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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While I don't doubt that social media can drive some of these mental health issues, I think most teenagers are simply stressed from the constant work that's necessary for the college admissions process. I'm 24, so I would have been a teenager in 2012, but I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16 or so. My high school experience consisted almost entirely of school, studying, and running (my primary extracurricular).…

Public school schoolwork is so easy. So is applying to a college. How is anyone stressed by it?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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post #148

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You’re going to get a bias in here because a lot of folks are STEM focused / high achieving high anxiety types :)

I guarantee most of these "high achieving high anxiety types" live with significantly less anxiety than customer service reps/bag handlers/food service workers.

As this sort of argument always boils down to privilege, I'll throw my two cents in and say probably the biggest privilege (for a regular ass middle class person) is having a parent who knows math.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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post #79

While I don't doubt that social media can drive some of these mental health issues, I think most teenagers are simply stressed from the constant work that's necessary for the college admissions process. I'm 24, so I would have been a teenager in 2012, but I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16 or so. My high school experience consisted almost entirely of school, studying, and running (my primary extracurricular).…

40% of high school students don't go to college (of any type). Of those, only a tiny portion are focused on elite universities. Many are just going to Long Beach State, University of Redlands and other 4 year schools that you've never heard of. They have lax admissions. Among adult Americans, only a third have bachelors degrees. Certainly the high pressure scholastic environment of certain high schools is not common.

You can probably generalize and say that most teens stress about competing or despair about their prospects. I'd nitpick your use of stats, but I don't want to miss the forest for the trees.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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post #79

While I don't doubt that social media can drive some of these mental health issues, I think most teenagers are simply stressed from the constant work that's necessary for the college admissions process. I'm 24, so I would have been a teenager in 2012, but I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16 or so. My high school experience consisted almost entirely of school, studying, and running (my primary extracurricular).…

Meanwhile the comments below the article have already determined the unmistakable cause of the epidemic: Today's youth is just too coddled and the school environment is just not violent enough anymore.

No further questions...

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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you're ignorant or extremely privileged if you think kids dont worry. have you ever had a parent be ill and your family has no money for their treatment?

OK, you got me. A lack of socialized everything that started in 2012 is the cause of the teen mental illness epidemic. Get out and vote everyone!!!

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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It is remarkably easy to expose yourself to truly horrifying things on the Internet. Stories, images, and videos of deaths of all kinds, from videos of terrorists cutting off people's heads to people live streaming their suicides to Reddit stories about motorcyclists having limbs ripped off in traffic accidents. News sites, forums, and social feeds are a parade of horrors. You cannot get away from the Internet, even…

My highschool, like most of the time, was full of kids who sent Iraqi beheadings and shock sites to each other. Voluntarily viewing something disgusting isn't a traumatic experience. Nor is being tricked into it when you can just press a big red X and never have to think about it again.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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It's not a contradiction, I'm saying that an underlying increase in mental illness plausibly explains some of the effect, but I'm unconvinced it explains the entire effect.

What could explain the increase in suicides if not mental illness?

I'm drawing a distinction between "mental illness" and "mental illness diagnosis" that I maybe didn't make entirely clear. I think the former is increasing, but the latter is increasing faster than the former.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Coincidentally (or not), the same year Facebook launched the Feed as the default UI and opened it up to advertisers. I've been screaming this since the moment it was introduced, but I don't think people will ever realize it until years from now in retrospect, that the concept of the "Feed", an endless scrolling ad monetized horse trough of clickbait, was one of the single most destructive ideas in the history of huma…

Damn when you say feed in that context it really does make it sound animalistic and reflexive
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