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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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I just watched the clip - my take is it was a scene about a bad joke falling flat "nobody is laughing so I'm going to stop".

Having watched this 'show' for a while, all of "Larry's" jokes are delivered in the same manner. Canned laughter is inserted as well.

This joke actually works because the canned laughter didn't get inserted here, but again - it's one of those "if it gets a little bit on it, we're banning the whole thing" deals

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The topic isn't taboo, but making fun of people is. Be nice to other people and suddenly you don't get canceled or whatever you're afraid will happen.

I think there are lots of people for whom the present cultural climate permits making fun of. I see a lot of standup in New York and there are some very specific, unspoken rules about who's allowed to make fun of who, and for what. There are entire subreddits dedicated to making fun of certain types of people, and the prevailing opinion on reddit is that they deserve it because they are Bad.

Same as it ever was. What is acceptable to make fun of and what is not is constantly shifting with the times. What seems more constant is people being upset that what was once acceptable is now frowned upon, and the friction that causes them.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#293

Explanation from their Discord (more info/links below) “Earlier tonight, we started having an outage using OpenAI’s GPT-3 Davinci model, which caused the show to exhibit errant behaviors (you may have seen empty rooms cycling through). OpenAI has a less sophisticated model, Curie, that was the predecessor to Davinci. When davinci started failing, we switched over to Curie to try to keep the show running without any d…

This makes sense because most of the political ChatGPT headlines I see are it refusing to say nice things about republicans or crashing because it's unable to say anything discriminatory. Using a different model here makes sense

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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As many people here noticed, the bit has actually nothing to do with transphobia, or gay, but it's about a comedian bombing a show with horrible jokes. What's interesting in this case, is that there can be no "background check". Or "this guy has actually had weird quotes in the past, he's very suspicious". Or "he has republican friends"... All the regular strategy activist use to demolish a public figure over a prete…

This story has an even better result than claiming a scalp for these guys, now the activists get to shout from the rooftops about how important it is these companies hire them to develop "fair and unbiased" AI models. This is a way for them to acquire greater control on information, as they can control the generative models that produce information.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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The difference between trans people and those other groups is that there is a sizable portion of the population who think that trans people are mentally ill, demonic, pedophiles, and deserving of death. Even then, there are jokes about trans people that trans people enjoy, but is it really hard to understand why “you’re destroying the fabric of society… nah just kidding” is not one of them for some people? It’s like…

I haven’t seen a trans joke any trans people enjoyed. My point is no joke is ever soft enough for them.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Interesting and a bit over the top IMO but it would be interesting if one could train the bot to be ToS safe. A lot of shows from the 90s would violate those Twitch ToS IMO ignoring the copyright part. Thinking of "Married with Children" and the enormous amount of fat shaming and sexism.

I thought the same about Friends with their cringy homophobia. Loved the show back in the day and feel weird now not having picked up on that back then.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's hard to even watch old episodes of The Simpsons without explaining to my children why the multitude of lazy "gay jokes" aren't funny.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair?

Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly.

Sounds like we need better medical treatment if half of people with the condition want to commit suicide, and telling people on the internet to stop bullying and putting colorful flags in your twitter profile won't suffice. Not advocating for hate, just saying that it seems the medical community delegated this whole thing to society with a note of 'please be nice and everything will sort itself out'.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

But does controlling what everyone says on the Internet help or ultimately hurt? This seems to be the crux of so many problems.
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