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John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by MonkeyMalarky »

moffkalast wrote: post #276
freediver wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do something so extraordinary that the entire world will remember you.

The prerequisites of course being in the right place at the right time, with the right people and a little luck on your side as well. So many people are remembered just because there were first at something by like a week, and the dozen others who also thought of it elsewhere but were a bit late or didn't publicize as well are forgotten forever.

I was going to make a joke about being born in the right place but he's from Kansas.

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Post by thechao »

marviel wrote: post #267

> Now, the smart money still says it’s done by a team of researchers, and it’s cobbled together over all that. But my reasoning on this is: If you take your entire DNA, it’s less than a gigabyte of information. So even your entire human body is not all that much in the instructions, and the brain is this tiny slice of it —like 40 megabytes, and it’s not tightly coded. So, we have our existence proof of humanity: What…

I have a tongue-in-cheek assertion that a single human can be smart — perhaps even intelligent. But, what we're experiencing in our society, right now, is an emergent superintelligence that is the culmination of the interaction of 8 billion "merely smart" monkeys. When I'm feeling especially dark, I just assume that most humans aren't even conscious or usefully sapient most of the time, and that continuity of consciousness & sapience is only possible due to the density of our daily interactions.

Humans are simple in this model (just like Carmack asserts) because they aren't properly intelligent, sapient, or conscious 100% of the time.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by moffkalast »

MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #291
moffkalast wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The prerequisites of course being in the right place at the right time, with the right people and a little luck on your side as well. So many people are remembered just because there were first at something by like a week, and the dozen others who also thought of it elsewhere but were a bit late or didn't publicize as well are forgotten forever.

I was going to make a joke about being born in the right place but he's from Kansas.

Still aeons ahead from being born in a slum in India.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by goatlover »

falcor84 wrote: post #195
TuringTest wrote: post #64

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> People are going to have to up their game. Let's help them by making adult education more affordable. The good thing is that education will be provided to the mases by a cluster of Franks and Amys configured as teachers and tutors. /(sarcasm with a hint of dread)

My take on this is that if anyone can learn a particular skill entirely from an AI, then it's not a skill you'd be able to monetize. And I really have no idea what, if any, are skills that AIs wouldn't be able to tackle in a decade.

Lots of procedural knowledge. Robotics is lagging behind deep learning advances, and it's unclear when robots would be cheaper than human labor in those areas. How expensive would a robot plumber be? Also skills that are valued when humans perform them.

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Post by bernawil »

kobalsky wrote: post #287
labrador wrote: post #12

This paragraph took me aback: But if I just look at it and say, if 10 years from now, we have ‘universal remote employees’ that are artificial general intelligences, run on clouds, and people can just dial up and say, ‘I want five Franks today and 10 Amys, and we’re going to deploy them on these jobs,’ and you could just spin up like you can cloud-access computing resources, if you could cloud-access essentially arti…

> It kind of shocked me because I thought of the office worker reading this who will soon lose her job I'm surprised this wasn't addressed in the interview because it seems to me like a shortsighted take. You won't replace a 10 person team today with 10 AIs. You will still have a 10 person team but orders of magnitude more productive because they will have AIs to rely on. Excel didn't leave administrative workers wit…

the automobile didn't make horses more productive, it (almost) totally replaced them. Maybe this time, we're the horses.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by oldstrangers »

bilsbie wrote: post #270

Not AGI related but this has always bothered me. I know he’s super talented but I always wonder how many other equally talented software engineers never get noticed and toil away at crappy jobs. What’s the trick to becoming a celebrity if you’re talented?

If anyone was truly as "equally talented" as John Carmack, they wouldn't remain unknown for very long. Plus, you can be extremely successful without having to be a celebrity, and John was always going to be successful.

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Post by throwaway4aday »

seu wrote: post #214

> Well, you can tie that into a lot of questions, like, ‘Is human population a good thing?’ ‘Is immigration a good thing, where we seem to have been able to take advantage of new sources of humanity that are willing to engage in economic activities and be directed by the markets?’ > The world is a hugely better place with our 8 billion people than it was when there were 50 million people kind of like living in caves…

Ok, let's see your foundation then.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

eloff wrote: post #198
qbasic_forever wrote: post #193

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We still have a form of slavery in the US. Prison labor is forced work that earns pennies a day: https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploit...

Why is that a bad thing? Most of those people are a burden to society. Let them pay it down a little. I mean I’d rather they were getting free education and preparing themselves for reintegration into society, but it’s not a perfect world. Prisons in the US are oriented towards punishment and labor can be a part of that. They should be oriented towards rehabilitation.

> Why is that a bad thing?

> I mean I’d rather they were...

> They should be oriented towards rehabilitation.

You said it yourself. It's a bad thing because they should be oriented towards rehabilitation.

These systems steal life and the opportunity to have a life beyond prison walls. Like you also said yourself, the world isn't perfect. As such, people aren't either – we make mistakes. Sometimes we make mistakes due to influences more powerful than ourselves. Slavery doesn't seem like a sound correction to this reality.

I do believe we need consequences to help us feel guilt and the overall gravity of our errors in order to begin to recognize what went wrong and what we need to do differently. But exploitation of another human being doesn't teach them to be more human, but rather, it will tend to dehumanize them. This is why this system perpetuates problems more than it corrects them.

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Post by chaostheory »

bilsbie wrote: post #270

Not AGI related but this has always bothered me. I know he’s super talented but I always wonder how many other equally talented software engineers never get noticed and toil away at crappy jobs. What’s the trick to becoming a celebrity if you’re talented?

Location. They will be ignored in backwater towns, but easily noticed in tech hubs
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