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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by omnicognate »

adventured wrote: post #282
kadoban wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How could it rank higher tho? SO has a huge domain ranking. How an arbitrary website can compete with that? It's unclear, but they do. My guess would be that they're willing to do shadier SEO than SO will, and any that get caught just stand up more domains.

It's usually temporary, until Google tags the copycat site as a spammy content farm and destroys its ability to rank. I haven't seen a site sustain high ranking / lots of traffic through copying Stackoverflow in maybe a decade at this point (since Panda etc.).

It doesn't matter, though. It's a hydra. Different sites over time but the result is that google results on programming topics are reliably, and increasingly, shit. I gave up on it and pay for Kagi.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

Both Google and Meta are massive targets.

Meta collapses if all its properties are filled with AI generated spam content.

Same for Google.

Meta will likely fall later since visual content at scale is still 12-18 months away. But for Google, the clock is ticking.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by savingsPossible »

dmonitor wrote: post #142
px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

just look at reddit to see how quickly self curation devolves into complete and utter garbage

I did and I don't see it.

There are many useful subreddits

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by altdataseller »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #292
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

Both Google and Meta are massive targets. Meta collapses if all its properties are filled with AI generated spam content. Same for Google. Meta will likely fall later since visual content at scale is still 12-18 months away. But for Google, the clock is ticking.

Why will Meta fall? Won’t people learn to unfollow accounts that post spam content? And if it is AI generated content that gets lots of engagement, wouldnt that help bring more engagement to Meta?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by altdataseller »

shagie wrote: post #240
hagbarth wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the back of my mind, I have a hope that it will lead to the collapse of the platform internet and a return to smaller trusted communities and boards.

That's part of the idea in The Expanding Dark Forest and Generative AI - https://maggieappleton.com/ai-dark-forest ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34243709 - 29 days ago; 419 comments) > The dark forest theory of the web points to the increasingly life-like but life-less state of being online.Dark Forest Theory of the Internet by Yancey Strickler Most open and publicly available spaces on the web are overrun w…

… or just talk to people in real life? (Until we have AI generated humans I suppose)

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by pixl97 »

sho_hn wrote: post #116
toyg wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with the Internet Archive, which does an amazing job, is that they do an amazing job despite the problem being fundamentally intractable . Web content expands too quickly and too massively. I wonder if the answer is a network of topic-focused archives; like moving from a "Library of Alexandria" model to a modern nationwide system of libraries.

The curator being bandwidth-limited is not necessarily a problem if the problem you are solving is an overwhelmed audience in need of a curator. In other words, the Archive missing things may not really be a problem if the stuff is not missing is on average of value. It raises the issue of governance of the curator, but the IA is already more transparent than Goole & co.

How do you measure the future value of something you don't keep?

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Post by pixl97 »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #168
juujian wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The worst part about this is that if there is another set of bots that tries to generate engagement, then the training data isn't coming from humans either. You have one set of actors spamming. And another set of actors upvoting stuff, predominantly their own but maybe also other random posts. So the resulting posts don't necessarily even cater to humans. It will be real online hellscape.

The web will transition strongly to verified identities, like we have with SSL certs. Along with filtering out people who use AI to post under a verified identity and get caught, It’s the only way to help ensure you’re reading actual human content.

Authoritarians are praying and dreaming for this to be realized.

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Post by realce »

chatterhead wrote: post #298

All AI projects need to be immediately nationalized. None of the people in Tech have shown themselves responsible enough for it and it will only be used against people. That's a red line.

I'm getting closer to this day by day too

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by sonofhans »

munificent wrote: post #237
brookst wrote: post #2

Not a super well thought out article. Example: lots of speculative complaints that ChatGPT will lead to an explosion of low quality and biased editorial material, without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). Ditto with the “ChatGPT gave me wrong info for a query” complaint. Well, how does that compare to traditional search? I’m willing to believe…

> without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). I see this counter-argument all the time and it makes no sense to me. Yes, the web is already filled with SEO trash. How is that an argument that ChatGPT won't be bad? It's a force multiplier for garbage. The pre-existence of garbage does not at all invalidate the observation that producing more garb…

Yeah, exactly. It’s like saying, “What’s wrong with having a bus-sized nuclear-powered garbage cannon aimed at my head? I already have to take out my trash once a week.”
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