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“I think you should consider more than your own happiness, we're talking about the economy” Did I misinterpret this?
A generous interpretation would be: when making policy decisions we should maximize the happiness of many people, not specific individuals.
Is remote work bad for the economy?
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Forgive my confusion, but why do you specify needing space away from work now when the vast majority of your concerns prior was struggling with textual mediums? I could suggest if you want to be on prem, you can be. But none of that will address that not only do you want to be on prem you have frustration that other people are not. Couldn’t difficulty with communication be resolved via personal occupational therapy o…
But how do you identify if the issue is with you or them? If its you, sure you could. But if it's them, how so you convince that they have a problem? Why would it be my problem, when I get on with other folk? I find that talking in person, allows me to express what I'm wanting to express clearly. Its hard, but easier. Why can't a compromise be made where you have three days off and then the two you come in? Why does…
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#293This applies everywhere: just because a job or business has existed does not mean it has a right to exist forever. This is not being harsh on people; it's just a reality. The blacksmiths in the horse and buggy days saw demand for their services fall when time and technologies changed. The coal miners began losing their jobs when we realized that coal as fuel was more harmful than it was beneficial. History is full of…
The pro remote work viewpoints on HN seem like experienced developers, probably with families, often with terrible commutes externalizing the costs of what’s apparently good for them personally to their colleagues and peers: * removing an outlet for socializing for people that are new to the area / country and don’t have friends. * lack of face to face team bonding for new employees. * lack of personal social contact…
On the flip side, a former shop basically treated remote workers as if we were robots. Everything was about 'productivity'. One of the most inhumane places I've been.
Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
The purpose of the economy is to fulfill human desires. The only question we have to ask to understand which situation resulted in higher economic output is: which situation resulted in satisfying more human desires. It's clear that the pointless burning of fossil fuels didn't satisfy any human need. Then the question becomes: is the distribution of currency caused by the buying and burning of the fuels preferable to…
> the pointless burning of fossil fuels didn't satisfy any human need. That sentence would have a different meaning if the conclusitory (looking for real word here) word "pointless" was not there. Abundant reliable on-demand energy has enormously improved the human condition. I'm also glad the Dutch no longer dig up peat bogs for dirty fuel.
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#295The author talks about three data points: 1. Is there less restaurant business? 2. Does it hurt city real estate? 3. People spend more time with family. I'm much more interested in other points about how remote work has an impact on the economy. * How do cities and states attract well paid remote workers? Who are the winners and losers of this transition. * How does remote work impact wages? A programmer in Nashville…
This is an underrated comment. These are good threads to pull on in future posts - thanks.
Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
The purpose of the economy is to fulfill human desires. The only question we have to ask to understand which situation resulted in higher economic output is: which situation resulted in satisfying more human desires. It's clear that the pointless burning of fossil fuels didn't satisfy any human need. Then the question becomes: is the distribution of currency caused by the buying and burning of the fuels preferable to…
> It's clear that the pointless burning of fossil fuels didn't satisfy any human need. Yeah, but ... how much of it was pointless? Who decides if a use-case is pointless? You? Me? The government?
Burning fossil fuels can of course also be meaningful.
We're talking about driving to work when you can work from home.
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Sure, it is fun. But the point of the article and discussion is not to be city-phobic like your quote suggests -- rather why do we need our economy to focus around people commuting? It is not only inner-city folks. A lot of these restaurants in cities rely on all of the people coming in for work.
I was replying to someone who said spending money in restaurants is undesirable. I was not replying to the article.
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I don't think that's how that works. It's evident by the fact that there are no school towns like there are college towns. Once the people earning the money move out, there is no taxes left to fund education. Unless we nationalize education, which is not going to happen (at least in America).
> no taxes left to fund education which is why it's really a stupid policy decision to fund schooling via local taxation. There should be federally funded schools.
California moved to statewide funding parity for schools and voters simply decided they don't want to pay taxes that aren't local. This lead directly to capping property taxes in the state.
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I live in Cambridge, MA (a city for sure) and used to work in an office near the Waltham/Lexington line. Not some out in the rural woods places at all. I looked up and wrote up my “what if I tried to commute on public transit to make a 9AM meeting?” It’s ugly to the point where no one would voluntarily choose it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31723197
Bad public transit exists all over. That doesn't make the idea of public transit bad, it just means we need better management of it.
Having high frequency mass transit service and decent transfers is better than the current situation, but it's really, really hard to compete with "sub-minute latency, personalized perfectly random route".
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Are you referring to fast food when you say that $5 USD is a meal?
yeah, i would like an example of a meal for $5 from a restaurant of any kind. A meal for < $10 is quite rare even for fast food, a slice of pizza and a coke from 7/11 is pushing $10.
Eating out doesn't necessarily mean restaurant, unless you use the term loosely. Restaurants typically sell an experience, not food, and indeed you expect to pay for that experience. It is something not duplicatable at home, at least not for the price a restaurant can offer it to you. Even a high priced restaurant is cheap compared to hiring servants to come to your home.
What's fast food? I consider McDonalds fast food, but they aren't in the food business and thus wouldn't be expected to provide for $5. The term fast food is quite loaded, in my experience.
Which market are you in? We know for certain that there isn't price uniformity in all locations. I'm not at all surprised that you could be paying $10+ for the same meal I pay $5 for. Which brings us back to asking what is rent? Again, that kitchen is occupying space that must be accounted for. You're being completely disingenuous if you ignore the bulk of your costs of operating a kitchen.
You can choose to accept those costs. I like to cook and would hate life if I had to eat out every day even if were at the best restaurants around, so I do too, but I'm not going to pretend they don't exist. The cost of eating at home isn't just the raw ingredients. That would be unfair to not only the discussion, but also yourself and your finances if you aren't being honest with yourself.