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The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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But 55 year olds died all the time from smoking: heart attacks and strokes are smoking deaths too

Are you sure? Heart attacks and strokes main outcome of smoking, not lungs diseases?

Smoking (also) causes cardiovascular disease - Atherosclerosis, increased blood pressure, increased cholesterol, etc.

1 in 3 deaths from cardiovascular disease are estimated to be caused by smoking.

Smoking damages your body in all sorts of ways, one just rolls the dice on which one gets them first.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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post #266

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Seems you never were on a smoking flight. Planes have excellent air conditions. It was not like the whole plane up in smoke. You could smell it a little on a non smoking seat but it was quite mild.

Absolutely not so. Smoking on airplanes was exactly as it sounds like - what you get when people smoke inside a metal cylinder packed with people. I used to fly all the time for work back then, international/intercontinental. It was bad. Very bad. Some airlines even experimented with "smoking zone on the right side, non-smoking on the left side".. what an idea. If this was today I couldn't fly at all, I've become so…

I do get breathing reaction, it's not funny. And I start sneezing and coughing so everyone starts looking at me like I have covid, very amusing. The thing is, a smoker can't really smell how bad it is unless they stop smoking for a while. This is very apparent when you get an ex-smoker into an elevator with a heavy smoker. Did this with a working buddy and he was looking sideways at me and then asking "Was I really that bad?". Yes, yes you were my friend. Glad you are off it :-)

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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post #200

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The navy didn't ban smoking on subs until 2010. That must have been something.

But subs get deployed for 6 months at a time. Unless they banned smokers from getting into subs??

They just have to ban the smoking. Pretty hard to smoke if there are no cigarettes on the ship or if the crew runs over to put out the fire any time you light a cigarette.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Stop for a minute and think about the psychology of what you’ve just written. Instead of getting angry at aviation corporations who save money and maximize profits by degrading the quality of the very air you breath, you direct your anger towards other passengers and their kids. As they would against you. That said, you shouldn’t be allowed to smoke and masks should be mandatory on planes still in my opinion.

Covid exists, it always will at this rate, and the rest of us won't be suffering for your insecurity about your own immune system. You wear a mask if you like. If it works, you have nothing to worry about.

Right! And if you can have covid and not put on a mask, why the fuck can't I smoke next to you on a plane?

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Where is it illegal to smoke with a child in the car? Not to get political but we can’t even get people in the US to agree to a bump stock ban.

Here's a list of states and relevant statutes from 2017[1]. [1] https://publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resour...

Notably, none of those list it as a "crime". Instead, it's a civil penalty with a small fine.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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I moved to Switzerland recently and I was very unpleasantly surprised at the general attitude towards smoking here. It’s routine to see someone hold an infant or child in one hand and a smoke in the other. It’s technically forbidden to smoke in train stations but there is no enforcement and people will smoke everywhere anyway. Same thing for underground parkings. The “rule” seems to be that if you can somehow see the…

Terraces in bars are now just smoking areas in countries that implemented an indoor smoking ban. Some places try implement an X meters from entrances rule, but its a waste of time.

Depends where. It’s illegal to smoke on terraces, near entrances, and near windows in Canada.

I believe NYC has similar bylaws.

But yes in many places, outdoor and terraces/patios are still a health hazard.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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Sweet but the photos don't show the omnipresent nauseous smell penetrating you up from the hair down to the socks. The absolute global ban of smoking was the best thing since the fall of Communism and no design will make me sentimental about it.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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2035 in EU: https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-approves-effective... Ok, not quite, and the motivation is different, but the days of ICE are numbered.

I would buy a long range EV but they are crazy expensive. I wish the governments could support consumers more in this.

> long range EV

That's called a train.

Re: The Disappearance of the Ashtray

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post #81

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In my country it went from bars filled with smoke to being banned in enclosed spaces. 3+ walls = enclosed space. Such a breath of fresh air, even the smokers were happy. The lady who made it into law was in politics for a mere legislature. Not a career politician.

Even the smokers? They were all throwing hissy fits in the US.

We had a few very heavy smokers at work, and they were pretty loud about the stupidity of the ban in pubs which was coming up. Six months later the smokers agreed that it was much better inside the pubs than before the ban. All the protests just died.
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