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Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by spookie »

Nextgrid wrote: post #270
spookie wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such derogatory commentary is not adding any value to the conversation. I would refrain from dismissing Europe's industry, and cities with such a tone. The most perplexing part in all of this is the stance that this thread seems to commend. Even more so, given the societal unrest seen in the USA. Just baffling.

> Even more so, given the societal unrest seen in the USA. Just baffling. To be fair, the social unrest of the US fueled by social media & advertising is now exporting itself to other countries - starting with the English-speaking ones (since the content can be reused as-is) but it's just a matter of time before it consumes other countries too.

Fair, and that's why I personally see a lot of value within these regulations.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by Cupertino95014 »

Dumbdo wrote: post #278
Cupertino95014 wrote: post #114

World party planning: China: I'll bring the hardware! US: I'll bring the software! EU: I'll bring the lawyers!

This reads like it's straight from the comment section of a Facebook post and is low quality even for HN's recent discussion culture.

From a German. That wouldn't be influencing your opinion, would it?

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by Nextgrid »

from wrote: post #273
samwillis wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lack of a predictable regulatory landscape in Europe It is predictable though, and has been clear for ten years. They are on the side of users privacy and clearly against invasive tracking and particularly profiling. Nothing has changed, these companies have been given ample warning, they didn't change or tried to skirt the issue and now they are facing fines.

You're implying the EU is this privacy guardian fighting these evil American tech companies. Except it was the EU who mandated data retention laws, the EU who banned prepaid cards over 150 euros, the EU who mandated countries release a public registry of who owns everything, and a substantial number of member states have mandatory key disclosure and SIM card registration laws. I don't really get the impression the EU…

EU-based governments are at least honest about their intent of spying on their citizens, where the collection & processing of said data is at least subject to due process and can potentially be challenged in court.

The US would rather outsource it to the private sector so while the end-result is the same (the government can buy the data off the open market or request it via an NSL) they don't even have to pay for building/maintaining the surveillance systems as the adtech/analytics/marketing industry is happy to do it for them for free.

So yeah, EU's government spying efforts are a major problem but let's not pretend the US is any better in that regard.

> this ruling doesn't even ban targeted advertising, it just requires another popup that most of users will say yes to.

90% of the cookie popups you see out there are in breach of the regulation and only remain because enforcement has been severely lacking. A properly implemented popup, how Apple has done with their App Tracking Transparency (like the one that the GDPR would force Facebook to implement) has an acceptance rate of just 4%.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by [deleted] »

friedman23 wrote: post #19
Nextgrid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because we somehow ended up in a situation where spyware got effectively decriminalised doesn't mean it's a good situation especially in the long-term. If nobody is willing to pay for your product, maybe it shouldn't exist?

> If nobody is willing to pay for your product, maybe it shouldn't exist? Hm, so you think it's better for the world for poor people to not have access to information via tools like Google? I think the fact that you need to use emotionally loaded language like spyware to make your argument really detracts from it.

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Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by zirgs »

dcgudeman wrote: post #209
no_time wrote: post #179

As an EU citizen all I can say is: Get fucked. I hope the EU grows a spine and actually doubles down instead of bowing to US pressure. >Fine for Meta more than tenfold from € 28 million to € 390 million. Third case on WhatsApp pending. Starting to get into a range for the fine that makes sense. Give it another tenfold increase and I'm content.

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I don't enjoy ads that advertise things that I've already bought AFTER I bought them.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by sershe »

"The decision would still allow Meta to use non-personal data (such as the content of a story) to personalize ads or to ask users for consent to ads via a 'yes/no' option. Users must be able to withdraw consent at any time and Meta may not limit the service if users choose to do so."

How is that supposed to work? FB is required to provide a service at a loss? If I were FB I'd work to actually make a yes/no contract - yes, or get lost. You can use EU social networks - oh wait, there aren't any! I guess in line with other EU decisions, EU citizens can switch to VKontakte :D

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by no_time »

from wrote: post #273
samwillis wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lack of a predictable regulatory landscape in Europe It is predictable though, and has been clear for ten years. They are on the side of users privacy and clearly against invasive tracking and particularly profiling. Nothing has changed, these companies have been given ample warning, they didn't change or tried to skirt the issue and now they are facing fines.

You're implying the EU is this privacy guardian fighting these evil American tech companies. Except it was the EU who mandated data retention laws, the EU who banned prepaid cards over 150 euros, the EU who mandated countries release a public registry of who owns everything, and a substantial number of member states have mandatory key disclosure and SIM card registration laws. I don't really get the impression the EU…

>You're implying the EU is this privacy guardian fighting these evil American tech companies. Except it was the EU who mandated data retention laws, the EU who banned prepaid cards over 150 euros, the EU who mandated countries release a public registry of who owns everything, and a substantial number of member states have mandatory key disclosure and SIM card registration laws.

Thinking this black and white can't apply consistently to an organization as big as the EU. The problems you listed are indeed bad and need solving. But they can do good every once in a while too.

And I'm mainly an Eurosceptic outside of tech issues mind you.

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Post by sershe »

Also, overall, with the lively debate on buying gas from a guy cosplaying Sudetenland while working to dismantle nuclear, tantrums thrown over suggestions by the US that one should fund one's own defense, pillaging of foreign tech companies via the equivalent of a predatory traffic stop while regulating their own out of existence, I am starting to despise EU bureaucracy/governing institutions more and more. They are truly working to make it a dying continent.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by avz »

LelouBil wrote: post #220
no_time wrote: post #179

As an EU citizen all I can say is: Get fucked. I hope the EU grows a spine and actually doubles down instead of bowing to US pressure. >Fine for Meta more than tenfold from € 28 million to € 390 million. Third case on WhatsApp pending. Starting to get into a range for the fine that makes sense. Give it another tenfold increase and I'm content.

I'm happy to be an EU citizen for all the great tech regulations that are actually passing here !

This made me think of Elephant in Cairo [1] and Pachydermic Personnel Prediction [2]. Specifically, it reminded me of what the classification says about the job of a politician:

> Politicians don't hunt elephants, but they will share the elephants you catch with the people who voted for them.

Along these lines, we'd have something like

> Europeans don't invent new tech, but they will regulate the tech you invented.

As a fellow European, I struggle to feel any pride or happiness about this.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_Cairo

[2]: https://www-users.york.ac.uk/~ss44/joke/elephant.htm

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by Nextgrid »

sershe wrote: post #296

"The decision would still allow Meta to use non-personal data (such as the content of a story) to personalize ads or to ask users for consent to ads via a 'yes/no' option. Users must be able to withdraw consent at any time and Meta may not limit the service if users choose to do so." How is that supposed to work? FB is required to provide a service at a loss? If I were FB I'd work to actually make a yes/no contract -…

> FB is required to provide a service at a loss?

Yes. Although how much of a loss it would be is debatable. Unless you upload lots of media, the costs of providing you the service top out at a few cents a month, so it can trivially be subsidised by even untargeted ads.

> You can use EU social networks - oh wait, there aren't any!

Maybe the long-term objective is that we actually get some social networks that are sustainable without misusing people's personal data?

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