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‘Luddite’ Teens

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Post by heavyset_go »

subsubzero wrote: post #201
ancientworldnow wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look up their parents. It's not a coincidence they crossed path with NY Times reporters looking to profile them. Nepotism teens doesn't have the same ring though.

yeah I was wondering how a small group of say 5-8 teens made it to NYtimes. The paper tries to fool you to think these are just organic encounters that are part of a massive movement(anti-tech) when its really just hand picked people close to a friend of someone that works at the paper. Remember it was discovered this year the editorial desk of the NYtimes has a mandate that all stories must paint tech in a negative…

> Remember it was discovered this year the editorial desk of the NYtimes has a mandate that all stories must paint tech in a negative light.

That's not at all what happened. There were rumors that tech reporting should be critical[1], instead of gushing and repeating claims from press releases without actually investigating. Real journalism is critical, and critical doesn't mean "bad" or "negative".

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473275

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pessimizer wrote: post #98
rootusrootus wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next step after this epiphany is to realize you can do this without actually giving up the phone. Just because it's in your pocket doesn't mean you need to pull it out constantly and look at it. It's just a tool, relegate it to that position in your life and don't use it like a pacifier.

That's not realistic. The phone is calling out, begging you to pay attention to it, and makes itself more difficult to use the less you want to be entangled. You just have to put it away. If it's a tool, treat it like a tool. You don't carry a hammer in your pocket all day.

You are right; the rest of the replies to you are wrong.

Anyone unclear on this should read some of the research about phone proximity and cognitive impairment. https://www.dataquest.io/blog/phone-proximity-effect/

Obviously it's actually your brain doing the calling, not the phone, but the effect is the same: it has an effect on you just by existing that you cannot control. It has nothing to do with notifications settings.

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Post by pabs3 »

pessimizer wrote: post #98
rootusrootus wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next step after this epiphany is to realize you can do this without actually giving up the phone. Just because it's in your pocket doesn't mean you need to pull it out constantly and look at it. It's just a tool, relegate it to that position in your life and don't use it like a pacifier.

That's not realistic. The phone is calling out, begging you to pay attention to it, and makes itself more difficult to use the less you want to be entangled. You just have to put it away. If it's a tool, treat it like a tool. You don't carry a hammer in your pocket all day.

Are there no phones that call out like that? Maybe one of the Linux ones could be made that way.

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Post by to1y »

Archipelagia wrote: post #40

It reminded me of one of pg's old essays – http://paulgraham.com/addiction.html . Highly recommended. On a personal note, it's also something that worries me for the day when I'll finally have my own children. I wouldn't want them exposed to modern cyber-addictions from young age, but at the same time, I'm not sure how to protect them, when I can expect that all their peers will be on whatever social app's gonna be p…

Eh don't worry. Just set a good example, love them and it will be fine.

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Post by ihatepython »

legohead wrote: post #56
Archipelagia wrote: post #40

It reminded me of one of pg's old essays – http://paulgraham.com/addiction.html . Highly recommended. On a personal note, it's also something that worries me for the day when I'll finally have my own children. I wouldn't want them exposed to modern cyber-addictions from young age, but at the same time, I'm not sure how to protect them, when I can expect that all their peers will be on whatever social app's gonna be p…

It's very difficult. I was lucky to have access to the internet in the late 80s and have watched it grow, mature, evolve. I know how quickly things can change, and I don't want my kids to miss out or be left behind. But at the same time, the dangers that exist today didn't exist even in the 90s. My biggest fear then was receiving an email virus. Now, Social Media alone is enough to make a parent take a step back and…

> Now, Social Media alone is enough to make a parent take a step back and wonder what is the right time to introduce your children to the internet.

This implies that parents are knowledgeable and responsible people who know better, when in reality, the vast majority of parents are complete morons.

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Post by gspencley »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #120
LucyEverylove wrote: post #10

I've been experimenting with a "no phone" protocol for a few months now. It has been amazing. Only occasionally problematic/inconvenient, mostly miss the GPS and music. Most things I used to do on phone I simply do on a laptop. But not constantly grabbing for a phone and staring at a screen... priceless.

It's possible to argue that dispensing with the habit of carrying and using a music player is also a potential win. What's one of the reasons smartphones can be a problem? That they distract and disconnect you from your environment and absorb you in something other than what's around you. Music players can also do that. If you turn the music off, it'll open your ears to the sounds of your environment. If you try it f…

Context matters.

Being someone with rather extreme "misophonia", in a noisy city environment disconnecting from the sound of my environment is a necessity for my mental health.

Also as a life-long musician, music is one thing that makes life worth living for me in the first place. If I don't have a music player with me I'm playing music in my head anyway unless some noisy car horn, screaming child or even the sound of someone else talking takes me out of it, triggering an autism/misophonia driven rage.

But if I'm out hiking in the backcountry, which is a something my wife and I do a couple of times of a year to escape the city and connect with nature ... absolutely we leave the music player at home.

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