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GMO algae and kelp are what we should be growing and sending to the bottom of the ocean in massive oceanic farming operations to remove carbon from the atmosphere (bio CCS).
All of the people who are saying they'd never eat it and will stick with their beef/chicken/pork are the same kind that said hell no to EVs. They'll die out and the world will adapt to a changing food economy just as we did with the changing fuel economy.
Eh, not really. A ten year old Tesla Model S is superior to my car in every way except for cost and range. It's literally a better product. There is nothing that even comes close to the nutrition and taste of chicken/beef/pork/lamb etc in the plant world.
Your existing car is already better than a Tesla.
Better than crickets, but I'll stick to beef thanks.
I've wondered if the move to get rid of livestock to reduce wasteful resource consumption can just be focused on getting rid of beef. Poultry cultivation is far less water intensive than raising cattle. If everyone just ate chicken and pork that would be a significant improvement. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/beef-uses-ten-...
Cattle farming is absolutely not causing water shortages for most of the world.
GMO algae and kelp are what we should be growing and sending to the bottom of the ocean in massive oceanic farming operations to remove carbon from the atmosphere (bio CCS).
Don’t you think bioengineering the eco system on such a large scale and at such a fundamental level is too risky?
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Corn-fed beef is bland and greasy. Next you'll be telling me that Aberdeen-Angus beef is good...
I mean, every top ranked bbq joint in Texas uses it. Sone of the better BBQ restaurants in the UK import it. Aaron Franklin has gone on about why and it’s because of the long cook times. BBQ is smoked and seasoned so I’m not sure the bland opinion matters.
Uh-huh. So bland, greasy meat slathered in cheap hot sauce?
Any article that proposes a new source of proteins should mention which is the protein content of the new food, and more importantly, which is the amino-acid profile, i.e. which is the limiting amino-acid. Also a price estimation per amount of contained protein must be given.
The problem with vegetable proteins is that they are combined with starch or fat, so the ratio of protein content to energy content is low. For most kinds of vegetable proteins, separating the proteins raises the cost above the cost of meat.
It is likely that when algae are produced, they contain mostly proteins and little starch, unlike the seeds of cereals or legumes, and this is good. However the algae consist mostly of water, so they must first be dried, to be comparable to cereals or legumes.
To be useful as a food, the cost of dried algae per amount of contained protein would have to be less than the cost of legumes per amount of contained protein.
This might be possible, but until now nobody has offered for sale algae at such a price, but only at much higher prices, where they are not competitive as a staple food.
Supposing that it would be possible to reduce a lot the costs of producing algae, they still could not replace the cereals as the cheapest source of energy in food, but they could replace the legumes and the meat as complementary sources of proteins.
However, until now nobody has shown practically how such a cheap production could be achieved.
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I would use descriptors such as savory, crispy, etc.
Savory like a main course? Or full of umami similar to cheese or soy sauce? And by crispy do you mean like lettuce or like chips or like a crisp wine? There's no good way to describe new food, comparisons are useful though they can be used to mislead your expectations.
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I'm existence proof to the contrary.
It's technically correct that we need some animal products. The big one I can think of is crude oil. It's from animals long dead and also used to make plastics. Not sure if we count insects as animal products but the work of bees helps pollinate our crops. We don't eat the bees but we do take advantage of them and breed them to go around and pollinate crops.
IIRC that's mostly from plants and algae, and definitely can be substituted with things made purely from plants and algae.
However, I was replying to someone who said specifically "meat", and crude oil isn't meat.
> Not sure if we count insects as animal products but the work of bees helps pollinate our crops. We don't eat the bees but we do take advantage of them and breed them to go around and pollinate crops.
If you're that expansive, humans are also animals, and we also rely on each other's labour.
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Yep. People need meat.
Very true, but you know idealism, denial and delusion is a thing. Many will literally die rather than come to terms with the 'fact' that every human (without exception) needs some animal products.
To the best of my knowledge, the last time I consumed any meat (which is what you're agreeing with to begin, even though you later say the much more general "animal products" which includes milk), was on a 2015 trip to Kenya, where the cook somehow randomised the ingredients in everyone's sandwiches (I asked for a "cheese and pesto" sandwich, my cheese was switched with someone else's chicken), and the time before that was 2009, where my vegetarian lasagna was switched with someone else's beef lasagna.
Even with those accidents, twice in 13 years doesn't seem like a "you're delusional if you think you can go without" kind of a thing.
Also, full on vegans are a thing. I'm not one (cheese is too tempting), but it's not crazy like breatharians or whatever.
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I have seen some youtubers make kelp pickles. They seem to find it delicious. https://youtu.be/SXhXK2CcCic
We do and the flavours are ridiculously good, but the price of the material is prohibitive, often around 90 € per kg.
The folks on youtube all seem to just harvest it wild.