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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Freedom of Speech is not free if you have to pay a monthly fee to express your opinion. We can already see them lining up to part with their salaries.

You don't have to. It'll still be free for anons.

verified users get priority in replies, mentions and search. Anons will be buried.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Funny, I was just listening to Naval Ravikant talking about it being better to seek wealth than status, because the latter is a zero-sum game. hard to unsee that dynamic once it's pointed out.

Don't humans generally value relative wealth, which would also make it a zero sum game? E.g., someone in poverty today isn't particularly comforted by knowing they have luxuries that former kings didn't have, like plumbing, because well-being is tied to relative scales

They may not feel good about their creature comforts, but indoor plumbing is an objective luxury to a great extent.

It is objectively better to not have to go out in the cold to take a shit at night, even if you're "poor".

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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There are plenty of hard-working people who wouldn't want to budget $8/month for something nonessential like a social media app. There's no need to disparage them.

Then don't get something nonessential such as the blue checkmark. You can still use Twitter.

I already have it. It's due to the account being of a fairly big online thing I built circa 2008. That no longer exists. A blue checkmark was only given to people with impersonation problems, if you proved that any media (newspaper, online blogs,etc) had published about you, making that noteworthy.

I have a blue checkmark, and twitter doesn't know who I am technically.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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The price 100% was $20/mo as previously reported by journalists until Twitter dunked on it, and Elon's interpretation of the backlash is "the price is too high" and not "any price makes no sense at all." This pricing clarification is most likely due to Stephen King's complaint: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587312517679878144 > We need to pay the bills somehow! Twitter cannot rely entirely on advertisers. How…

My gut instinct is that the right price for verification is something like $1000 as a one-time fee. Lots of people who are active Twitter users will find that fee useful at some point in their life (as a business marketing expense), and Twitter will likely extract a lot more from them by charging $1000 once rather than $8/month.

Influencers and hustlebros will pay that, celebrities won't.

If the celebrities leave, Twitter dies.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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I hope this means I can use a disposable prepaid card and not give a phone number during signup.

They were using phone numbers for antispam; hopefully $8 will serve the same purpose.

Twitter’s had employees that sold user PII to murderous foreign governments. It is not safe to have PII associated with a sufficiently controversial Twitter account. Maybe they can accept crypto payments for this during signup.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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It's such... odd behavior. For sure Stephen King who has a net worth of $500 million dollars does not mean "the price is too high". If Elon is successful, even I will read the business school case study on it, because it flies in the face of everything I understand about complex systems and... well just about everything. The only way this works is if Elon's internal processes are way different from his public persona…

He’s saying the price is bullshit, not that he can’t afford it. To him, it offers basically no value. While him being on Twitter does offer Twitter value. He’s probably right, although it doesn’t generalize to most celebrities who do have a vested interest in paying to promote themselves.

You don't think $8-20/month of book sales are generated by King's twitter presence?

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A lot of people aren't groking what this means, even on tech and startup savvy HN. Naval and Balaji said it well: Charging for the blue check moves it from a status symbol to a utilitarian one. It elicits shrieks because it’s more about leveling the playing field than making money. https://twitter.com/naval/status/1587523978456748033 The blue checks wanted to abolish billionaires, in the name of equality. The billion…

It’s fascinating to glimpse these endless mental contortions about the immense significance of tweaks to a social media profile flag. I don’t think anyone cares except those same billionaires/VCs and journalists who both write this drivel (one of the links is on a16zcrypto.com which I guess is the ideological enemy base of “establishment journos”). Will anyone else be left on Twitter when their private war is done?

You're seeing it more on HN because there's a huge (IMO growing) overlap between HN commenters and Twitter users. The comments on Big Tech articles look identical to entire slices of Twitter. Some of the talking heads on HN who comment a lot also have moderately large Twitter followings.

Despite being in tech and working adjacent to Big Tech, in my circles only HN and Twitter users are this up in arms about Twitter. They seem to be more concerned about this than even friends of mine who work at Twitter (who are more peeved by the current instability in the company than anything going on with the product.)

It's fun popcorn on HN right now but if this continues it'll get pretty tiring IMO.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I was just listening to Naval Ravikant talking about it being better to seek wealth than status, because the latter is a zero-sum game. hard to unsee that dynamic once it's pointed out.

Don't humans generally value relative wealth, which would also make it a zero sum game? E.g., someone in poverty today isn't particularly comforted by knowing they have luxuries that former kings didn't have, like plumbing, because well-being is tied to relative scales

A person in poverty in a high-income welfare state does not have a great live, but they are still comforted by the fact that they are not in danger of dying of starvation.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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The price 100% was $20/mo as previously reported by journalists until Twitter dunked on it, and Elon's interpretation of the backlash is "the price is too high" and not "any price makes no sense at all." This pricing clarification is most likely due to Stephen King's complaint: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587312517679878144 > We need to pay the bills somehow! Twitter cannot rely entirely on advertisers. How…

It's such... odd behavior. For sure Stephen King who has a net worth of $500 million dollars does not mean "the price is too high". If Elon is successful, even I will read the business school case study on it, because it flies in the face of everything I understand about complex systems and... well just about everything. The only way this works is if Elon's internal processes are way different from his public persona…

Some blue checks need Twitter (mid-level youtubers, for instance). Some don't (Stephen King, for instance). In either case, Twitter needs the blue checks because they are, to a large degree, the reason non-blue-checks visit and engage with Twitter.

I can see someone like Stephen King being annoyed at having to pay anything when his presence is probably helping Twitter quite a bit to begin with.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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A lot of people aren't groking what this means, even on tech and startup savvy HN. Naval and Balaji said it well: Charging for the blue check moves it from a status symbol to a utilitarian one. It elicits shrieks because it’s more about leveling the playing field than making money. https://twitter.com/naval/status/1587523978456748033 The blue checks wanted to abolish billionaires, in the name of equality. The billion…

It's more like the peasants will get a useless blue checkmark and the Lords will get a tag, which eventually will have the same meaning as the checkmark today. Everything stays the same but everyone pays. "There will be a secondary tag below the name for someone who is a public figure, which is already the case for politicians" https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587527711228149765?s=46...

I expect it will still be a free-to-play game, with some upsells for whales. Gotta keep follower counts up.
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