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Post by colinmhayes »

seti0Cha wrote: post #189
tgv wrote: post #34

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Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? > The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Sounds like a hint to me. There are more free speech sites, e.g. saidit.net. I would wholeheartedly recommend staying away from it: it's a cesspool, like the other reddit wannabes. Voat also comes to mind. Freedom of speech on such sites…

> Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? I think the better question is, what harm does not having a free speech platform do? I think the answer is fairly evident when you look at how the ability to control speech has been used throughout history. The justification, I would also suggest, has always been the same as the ones being advanced now. People act like it was social media that r…

We have a free speech platform though. Practically everyone has decided not to use it. I think the echo chamber that self selecting which moderators you want has created huge problems, but we can't force people to use 4chan when they don't want to.

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tptacek wrote: post #249
coinbasetwwa wrote: post #241

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He believes his kids friends are "professional actors" who were placed there to "sexualize" them, that The Gap knew about the Uvalde shooting before it happened, and that Pete Davidson slept with his wife through the mechinations of an international Jewish conspiracy. You're doing the same thing Fox did: quoting the least unhinged things and pretending the most unhinged things didn't get said. And, as I'm sure will h…

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Post by nickthegreek »

Kiro wrote: post #215
paulpauper wrote: post #158

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that never happened. the tweet was only removed

It says that he is locked out of his Twitter account in the article. Isn't that the same thing as being banned?

no, when you are banned, you pretty much cant get your account back. When it is locked, there are steps you can undertake to get access restored (like deleting the offending content).

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Post by electrondood »

coinbasetwwa wrote: post #241
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

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It's a fact that the guy is very publicly suffering from mental illness. Let's please not insinuate that he's being smeared for "disagreeing with the status quo" or not conforming to mainstream ideas, or some other common right wing victimhood nonsense.

When you say crazy things, it is correct to call them crazy.

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Post by themitigating »

mariusor wrote: post #109
shafyy wrote: post #43

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> Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? This is exactly the right question to ask. I'm convinced that it's not possible to have constructive "free speech" social media platform. There's always the need for moderation.

I think moderation should be about the words that are being said, not the ideas that are being discussed. A free speech platform should allow a wide range of topics, but it's not expected to stand for all manner of trolling and bad faith argumentation. I think that conflating the two is tripping a lot of people up in the debate about the topic.

If I think jews control the world and I calmly discuss it, present circumstantial evidence, etc would that be acceptable?

Sure I'm using offense terms but that's not as bad as claiming they control the world.

Or if I thought slavery should be brought back but I don't use the n word. Is that really the issue?

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Post by coinbasetwwa »

houstonn wrote: post #259
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

It's more of a story of a famous artist who thinks for himself and has been marginalized for years as a result. Every time he says something that deviates from the accepted narrative, he is attacked and dismissed as "crazy", "insane", "sick". Many non-normative geniuses throughout history have been treated in this manner. Before anyone strawmans this, he does occasionally say things that should be condemned, particul…

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Amazing how many people miss this.

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Post by csours »

tptacek wrote: post #206
csours wrote: post #149

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That's not how mental illness works. I am not diagnosing Kanye, but look up the progression of bipolar disorder. It is truly terrifying and heartbreaking.

You don't have to diagnose West. He's been diagnosed. He's open about it.

Thank you.

Whatever is going on in this individual case, Bipolar disorder is terrible. It can look like someone is "fine" for a long time, but then they aren't fine and people look for what changed, and what changed is progression of the disease.

It's really hard to talk about without adding stigmatization.

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Post by woodruffw »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #132
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. Devil's advocate: there's no way this isn't the case for Kanye, right? Why is this mental illness sparking up later in his life? Why was he able to achieve everything he's achieved 1996 -> 2012 (Roc-A-Fella -> The College Dropout -> My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy era) without these "mental illness" bouts?

One of the most common pop analyses of Kanye West is that the death of his mother in 2007 affected him deeply, and that he (essentially) goes on a mental health bender every year around the time she passed. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's not the most implausible explanation and does comport with his most recent behavior (since the anniversary of her death is a few weeks away).
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