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A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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Re: A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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People do not pay $500k bills for strokes, that's not possible.

"Do people pay $500k hospital bills?" and "Do people receive $500k hospital bills?" are two different questions.

In fact it’s to the insurance companies benefit to have the original bill be as insanely high as possible, before negotiating a “discount” and paying half - makes them look better and scares people from not having insurance.

Re: A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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A bicycle accident bill can be over 100k USD without any surgery or being admitted overnight. Having a stroke can be 500-600k which might cause another upon seeing the bill.

The US healthcare system is all kinds of messed up, but this sounds like FUD territory. I was hospitalized for 12 days earlier this year for what ended up being a heart issue. Not as "exciting" as a stroke perhaps but I'd have ended up very dead without modern medicine. The total bill sent to insurance was $85k and I ended up having to pay $5k.

I feel sorry that you believe your experience is worth diminishing the experiences of others. I have my mother's bills to prove it. She had a bleeder causing damage the size of a golf ball. No operation performed. A week in the ICU, 2 admitted, and 6 in admitted rehab.

And I had a powered vehicle collision that cost ~$83k without any surgery. The care was so bad (waiting 4 hours for stitches) and when they wanted to admit me, I said to myself "fuck it, I want to get some real sleep at home where I won't be woken every 45 minutes just so they can pad the bill even more as an expensive hotel." I got up and walked out. Minus CT and MRI, I could've done what they did in 3 hours what took them 18. 3 broken bones (T-8, nose, and shoulder) and they kept pushing me to take opiates. The pain was tolerable because it was a high-energy impact with clean breaks.

Also, around 2016, I spoke with a young lady in coffee shop in Redding CA who had a nasal infusion pump with a small tube taped to her face. She was preparing her documentation to attend a bankruptcy hearing across the street. She had stage IV terminal cancer and the doctors and hospitals were trying to take everything she owned while she was alive. 62% of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills and 78% had some form of insurance that obvious didn't help them.

I suggest you might want to get out more and talk to people. The US healthcare system is a fucking racket. People with the privilege of good health insurance rarely get outside of their bubble because "they got theirs" and assume everyone else has the same opportunities and protections. That's not the reality.

Re: A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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Social security is 20% of your salary in Lithuania. 50€ if you're unemployed. Although it does cover healthcare, unemployment and part of retirement pensions. Probably something more, but I don't know further details.

Do you know what is the actual spend per capita and does 50 cover it? Sounds like a good metric to go by. P.S. not a fan how the social taxes are collected since whenever you are supposed to get benefits it’s always capped at some ridiculous number…

I would bet my life that hospitals and doctors in Europe can't take everything you own while you're alive just because you require expensive cancer treatments. I wonder though if European patients are subtly not given the opportunities of expensive or experimental treatments to keep costs under control or if QALY "death panel" calculations are performed.

My late grandmother was often slighted and not offered treatment by VA medical personnel because of her age. It was disgusting, overt ageism beyond whether a particular treatment was suitable or not, she was treated as a second-class citizen not worth helping.

Re: A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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I find it hard to imagine anyone relying on an app to determine whether or not a wild mushroom is edible or not. The poisonous mushrooms (particularly the widely distributed and complex Amanita types) have some of the most insidious biological toxins known, in particular alpha-amanitin, which has a really nasty delayed-action effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91-Amanitin It's mode of action is so unique (bind…

I couldn't write/ship an app like that.

Seems like the kind of app that you’d want to test in academia for many, many years before releasing to the public.

Re: A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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Did you? Where did it lead?

It’s pretty well-known that a big reason there’s no cross-border approval pathway is that the FDA is partially funded by user fees.

Interesting!

Haven't heard that before, but it does make sense.

Re: A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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You mean like when Europe approved thalidomide but the US said “just because they approved it isn’t good enough” and saved tens of thousands of babies from birth defects?

The fact that the only example you have is 60 years old makes this a terrible argument.

10 years ago better?

It was on the market between 1976 and 2009, and is thought to have caused between 500 and 2,000 deaths.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benfluorex

Re: A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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Since no one has done it yet, I'll ask the obvious question about the FDA: how many people die or need a liver transplant each year because the FDA is being unreasonable here? Here's some quotes from the article: Approximately 40% of people who ingest the deadly Amanita mushrooms die or require a liver transplant, according to Dr. Pierre Gholam, the liver specialist at University Hospitals who treated Hickman. ... Th…

Milk thistle...

Re: A rash of nearly lethal mushroom poisonings in Ohio

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I think I read somewhere before about how if a mushroom is white, then stay away from it. How true is this from your experience?

Using that rule of thumb, you would successfully avoid Amanita virosa (destroying angel), but you could still get poisoned by Amanita phalloides (death cap) which has a pale-green cap. I don't endorse any rules-of-thumb for foraging, but a much better differentiator for beginners is whether the mushroom has pores vs. gills under the cap. There are virtually no deadly varieties that have pores.

They’re not deadly but there are quite a few ones with pores that will make you very sick.
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