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Imagine if it was arabic (to keep the LNG prices up, which everyone in Europe is now buying from the middle east like crazy). That would surely stir some things up.
The last weird assumption like that the west did about middle east was the Iraqi WMD. Look how accurate and disastrous this turns out to be. But yes let's think outside the box.
> assumption
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I strongly disagree. People in Germany couldn't care less about Ukraine because it is far away. Most assume that Putin will win this war anyways. However, they care strongly about cheap Gas because it directly influences their lives.
> it is far away It is not far away. There's Germany, then Poland and then war. We have refugees here and feel the impact on our day to day life.
I bet my left nut that in 50 years we'll learn it was a US operation https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?t=95
We actually did do this 40 years ago. Reagan covertly blew up a Soviet gas pipeline supplying Europe in 1982, which was publicized in 2004 when the former Secretary of the Air Force boasted about it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/02/27/r... ( "Reagan Approved Plan to Sabotage Soviets" (2004)) - "At the time, the United States was attempting to block Western Europe from importing Soviet natural…
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Wait until it gets cold and peoples resolves actually get tested. Those protests would turn into people begging to turn the gas on. If you don’t live in a place that actually has winter, you just won’t understand. I lived all summer without a/c, it was fine with the occasional cold shower. But no heat is absolutely miserable and deadly in a real winter.
Most mainland European gas reserves are full, there will be no freezing in Europe this winter.
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>for what? To sustain industry.
Let's not forget cook food.
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Putin, because he gets an excuse to cut Germany off of Russian gas. It's game of chicken now: the West sends weapons to help Ukrainian army chase off all the Russian invaders, and Putin tries to make energy crisis in EU so severe that Europe is forced to negotiate with him, and accept Russian conquest of parts of the Ukraine. Whoever can stay on their course longer wins.
That doesn't make any sense. If the sanctions are indeed lifted, how should the gas be transported into Europe that the Russian economy is dependent upon? This guessing game is silly in lieu of any hard evidence. It could be Ukraine or the US in order to enforce sanction even after a ceasefire. It could be Algeria or Venezuela or Qatar to guarantee gas supply by them. It could be Norway or an orca whale for all we kn…
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No pipelines means no Russian gas period. Putin loses because even if he wanted to, he can't send gas anymore. I've been hoping from the start that someone would sabotage the pipelines to remove the temptation. Guess I got my wish.
The main source of Russian gas in Europe was (and presently is) the Soviet pipeline system running through Ukraine. So basically Europe will still continue to receive a huge fraction of Russian gas, but it would all run essentially through a war zone.
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Nord Stream 2 is (politically) dead in Germany, reviving it is a total fringe position in German politics. And: Putin doesn’t currently deliver any gas through it or Nord Stream 1 anyway. Gas storage in Germany is still filling up, gas prices are going down and it looks like getting through this winter will be tough but it also looks like there will be no dramatic gas shortage in Germany. And all indications are that…
You really think that there is enough integrity in German politics and more important in German people that they won't change course? I don't. Seeing how people follow irrational populists on the smallest expected change in their life makes me doubt that.
Rupture of the pipes is visible on seismic recordings: https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/earthquakes/quake-info/7054...
Does it mean there was an explosion?
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Which talking points are those?
The constant repeating of "The US are making money off Europe's back" implying any sanction against Russia is economically irrational for the EU. Like any effective propaganda talking point, it seems to make intuitive sense... but is completely empty and only serves to divide the European public opinion when you look at facts.
This is hardly a Russian talking point. But it is true that the US has long fought to keep Europe and Russia from economic alliance, and it is definitely true that it is US foreign policy to interfere with Europes' growth. Europeans understand this of Americas ruling class, even if the American public doesn't.