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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by drusepth »

Aerroon wrote: post #199
Cr4shMyCar wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do support more moderation and controls over chat, because god knows when I played Minecraft as a kid I saw so many conversations that weren't exactly appropriate. Kids on servers that aren't specifically kid-friendly worry me a lot, knowing how my friends and I banter and shit-talk. This is super heavy-handed and centralized moderation though, the consequences for mistakes or errors are huge. As far as I know, get…

> because god knows when I played Minecraft as a kid I saw so many conversations that weren't exactly appropriate. And how much harm did this cause? Because I saw the same, but I don't see it having any real negative effect.

Everyone's different and harm/severity here is gonna be a wide range, but there's a lot of stuff I saw online as a kid that, as an adult, I really wish I hadn't.

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Post by watwut »

orsond wrote: post #88

Hi, orsond from the fifth column here. The Fifth Column is a Minecraft hacking and griefing group. We created Project Copenhiemer which is a Minecraft server scanning tool. Copenhiemer scans the internet every 20 minutes for minecraft servers, logs players, server versions, mods and more. Originally we had created it to find players and grief their server worlds, highlighting how much information about players is lea…

> For example, children should only be able to join under 18's Mojang hosted servers (realms) where conduct can be heavily monitored and 18+ players join multiplayer servers where children cannot play.

Underappreciated aspect is that quite a lot, most actually, 18+ don't like unmoderated spaces either.

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Post by bspammer »

Kiro wrote: post #286

A two month old post on a hacking forum complaining about chat moderation in a game for kids, from a user running cracked servers. Apparently enough for HN to pick up the pitchforks because, you know, Big Tech Bad.

The game is not for kids, the game is just played by a lot of kids. Why is anything that kids can find fun branded as “for kids”?

The target market when notch originally created the game was certainly not kids.

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Post by fxtentacle »

mlyle wrote: post #216
userbinator wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no in-game chat or VOIP. Have people found creative ways to communicate, or solicit/"bootstrap" further communications? If you can send someone a bit, you have enough to send them your endpoint at another service to communicate. In a multiplayer game, where presumably you can see the decisions of other players, the prerequisites are met. (I am by no means a gamer, but have witnessed how creative young humans can be a…

> Have people found creative ways to communicate, or solicit/"bootstrap" further communications? Not so much bootstrap other communications... but I remember how many penis emblems I encountered on Mario Kart DS despite Nintendo banning them very rapidly. Nintendo hasn't done a draw-your-own-emblem since, I don't think.

For stuff like this, I honestly wonder why it would be so bad for kids to see badly drawn penises painted on virtual racing cars. Statistically, half of them could just look into a mirror ...

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by mccorrinall »

the_cramer wrote: post #266
hooby wrote: post #242

Microsoft lost my copy of the game during the account transfer. Despite me having an account, that had both re-downloaded the game and played it just a few weeks earlier, had a custom character skin stored in it, and other stuff - they claimed I didn't actually ever own Minecraft, and demanded I provide proof of purchase. I provided as much as I could - including security questions+answers (which I had stored in my K…

-> Basically I was considered guilty unless I could proof my innocence imho this is not comparable. You are considered unknown (account-wise) until you can prove that you are known. That's how a login system works. Now why Microsoft didn't see your account, didn't accept your "proof" and left you in the rain, that's another story. A bad one. Big tech should care about the small man, they are their income after all. G…

Steam did the same for me. They wanted the first email of the account, which was like some hotmail.de throwaway. Except that they didn’t care that I were able to show them hundreds of purchases with several payment methods which were made over the years.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by teekert »

Imo they shifted from teen-adolescent semi-hackers to kids as the target group. It's always annoying when something you love pivots to target another group of users. As someone who is often an early adopter I went through this a couple of times. The end of era.

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Post by nicce »

jaarse wrote: post #116
ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I think the issue is the ease of getting users banned, and the lack of actual moderating at all that is the problem. It literally is as easy as fill out the form, user is automatically banned, no verification required. Microsoft is not actually enforcing anything. My son is 10 and has been playing Minecraft for most of his life. I would consider him quite good at it. I sometimes watch. Every couple of months one of h…

> So the kids create a new account, and keep playing.

Maybe this is the plan all along. Keep the money flowing, since it is not subscription yet.

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Post by drak0n1c »

dmix wrote: post #99
ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

The road to hell is always paved with good intentions and naive ideals. I’m trying to imagine having to explain to a 6yr old why they can’t play Minecraft until Dad creates another account and hope they can afford another license. And hope it doesn’t happen again the next time a troll joins their server. It also seems to be incentivizing people to not have any chat reports at all.

Battle.net communities and makers thrived for 15 years with zero moderation and a laissez-faire approach to peer to peer hosting. Entire game genres were invented (MOBA, TD). Imagine if Blizzard had cracked down in its infancy because of a few mostly satirical Nazi maps?

Good intentions among corporatized and safety oriented developers will certainly prevent another such golden age and maybe already has - considering the recent state of gaming.

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Post by oynqr »

doodlesdev wrote: post #247
hooby wrote: post #242

Microsoft lost my copy of the game during the account transfer. Despite me having an account, that had both re-downloaded the game and played it just a few weeks earlier, had a custom character skin stored in it, and other stuff - they claimed I didn't actually ever own Minecraft, and demanded I provide proof of purchase. I provided as much as I could - including security questions+answers (which I had stored in my K…

Quoting the original creator [0]: "Just pirate it". [0]: https://twitter.com/notch/status/157261795139125248

Pirate it - in Minecraft.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by watwut »

rhdunn wrote: post #234
socialismisok wrote: post #143

Oh shit, they are moderating chat in a game for children and responding to player reports? Pretty ghoulish, if you ask me. /S Come on, are we really complaining that public chat is moderated now? Is that really where the bar has sunk to?

Adults play too. Imagine you are an adult Minecraft player who plays in a popular private server with only other adults (e.g. any of the big popular YouTube Minecrafters). You then play on a public server and someone reports you and gets you banned. You now cannot play on that private server or any other multiplayer world, even if it is just you and a friend.

It does matter what exactly it is that you done on that public server. Some swearing? Yeah you are right. The other stuff like "serious threats, doxxing/stalking"? Nah, other adults dont have to have to put up with you either.
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