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Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 5:37 PM UTC

jjk166 wrote: post #169

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #99

So, we don't have to pay for the access, great. But searching for and collating all these tens of thousands of papers in each federal repository will have to be done... manually... by every researcher. .....Oh. You wanted search? You wanted indexing? You wanted a centrally managed service to pull from all those different federal repositories? Well, you're gonna need a company to develop all that and run it. You can u…

Right now every journal is a monopoly that can charge whatever it wants for as terrible service as it wants. With the change they need to compete with every bored college student who knows beautiful soup.

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Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Post by logisticseh » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 7:02 PM UTC

pksebben wrote: post #231

logisticseh wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. There isn't as much of a difference here as you think. Contractors do turn around and use components developed in public contracts for other consulting projects. Most commonly with other sovereigns, especially when the original contract was with a city or state, but sometimes at the national level as well. 2. With respect to R&D, one big difference is that the government doesn't provide seed funding. They provide…

Thanks for the well informed response! I had not yet heard of Bayh-Dole and you gave me some good googlin'. In regards to your explanation in [2], that sucks - I kinda figured that's how things were but I sorta went around academia rather than through it so it's interesting to hear. Any hot ideas about how it could be fixed?

> Any hot ideas about how it could be fixed?

For Computer Science:

1. replace the current academic funding model with pure fellowships. Each individual, from most junior to most senior, gets their own N year funding.

2. Each has a legal entity under which their IP lives and in which the government takes a small, fair, non-voting share.

3. Completely divorce this funding infrastructure from universities -- if someone wants to use part of their grant to pay for PhD courses/advising, great, but make it so that funding science is not contingent on that institutional apparatus.

For lab sciences things are more complicated.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Post by mensetmanusman » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 2:49 PM UTC

“ a memorandum that directs federal agencies to ensure peer-reviewed articles stemming from research they fund are freely available upon publication.”

Note the peer-reviewed. I wonder how you force volunteers to review for free.