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Removal of Heroku free product plans
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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#292We're a large Heroku user currently spending $10-20k/month. This change may lead us to switching to another platform. We host a lot of individual apps, many that only need free tier DBs and Redis. This change will roughly double the cost of a basic app on pro dynos + DB + redis, from $25/m to $49/m, with no additional benefit. Heroku is already very expensive. $25/m for 512MB RAM is laughable. At $49/m we could get a…
> At $49/m we could get a decent bare metal server for each of our apps. From where/with what kind of specs? $49/m sounds still well within VPS territory unless I'm wrong.
I expect the parent doesn't mean one bare metal server per dyno, but one bare metal server per application (which currently runs across multiple dynos).
Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, this. We (Fly.io) get a lot of abuse from users with stolen credit cards, too. But credit cards are the most useful anti-fraud tool we have. When we've relaxed the credit card restriction (like on https://fly.io/launch/livebook ), it gets "exploited" within about 48 hours. This sucks and we hate compromising the experience for legit users. We _want_ people to run their side projects on Fly.io without paying us m…
Are you using Stripe's fraud protection, MaxMind's tools, or something else to detect card fraud?
Stripe for CC fraud. That part of Stripe has been great.
Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#294There are 66K thousand forks of https://github.com/nightscout/cgm-remote-monitor and I suspect the vast majority are using the free heroku version, so I would guess there are going to be quite a few unhappy diabetics!
Oohhh wow
Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#295I grow tired of watching my favorite services self destruct. I have yet to see even a single service that lasts without destroying itself by either selling out or something similar.
Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
It won't. It's a typical move from a business stuck in a death spiral, desperately searching for profits by blindly slashing expenses.
Is Heroku stuck in a death spiral? Source needed?
All it would take is a quick google...
Heroku stock price is down roughly %50 from less than a year ago.
Death spiral? I don't know. But slashing costs is certainly not indicative of Heroku having a super awesome fun time.
Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#297We're a large Heroku user currently spending $10-20k/month. This change may lead us to switching to another platform. We host a lot of individual apps, many that only need free tier DBs and Redis. This change will roughly double the cost of a basic app on pro dynos + DB + redis, from $25/m to $49/m, with no additional benefit. Heroku is already very expensive. $25/m for 512MB RAM is laughable. At $49/m we could get a…
> At $49/m we could get a decent bare metal server for each of our apps. From where/with what kind of specs? $49/m sounds still well within VPS territory unless I'm wrong.
Hetzner has dedicated server auctions for ~35 USD/mo. All are in EU datacenters though.
Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#298IF we want to take them at face-value that this is because of fraud and abuse (a trust/respect they have not earned IMHO, or rather they lost many years ago) then this a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Otherwise it's some stupid MBA finding a way to save some money which will ultimately only speed up Heroku's demise. Either way the writing is on the wall. The Heroku that delighted us all is long dea…
I don't understand this sentiment sometimes. There may be fraud and abuse. There may also be a material cost to a company whose detailed financial situation I'm assuming you are not purvey to. Someone doesn't need to be "a stupid MBA" to have made this decision (in fact my guess would be it involved many cross functional and leadership perspectives given its nature). Also, this is quite possibly something necessary f…
MBAs have destroyed the US/Europe. How? Outsourcing all the jobs/manufacturing to China. This caused so many knock on effects. Some include an angry unemployed population electing Trump/other populists, the west being caught with its pants down during COVID when things we needed could not be obtained from China...many others as well.
Then subsequently after all the manufacturing jobs were outsourced the next thing to be outsourced was R&D(to suppliers). For example: Car companies shutting down one division after another and just relying on suppliers. Ford used to have in house seat development, their own metallurgical teams etc. All of it outsourced to suppliers who are trying to spread out their costs so everyone gets the bare minimum because all of the fundamental tooling is reused for every customer. The MBA dream was to outsource everything including manufacturing and just stick a badge on the finished car at the end.
It is a cancer that has permeated a lot of western business(so many MBA grads have to go somewhere right? They ended up at almost every company regardless of industry)
We are finally starting to swing back to pre-MBA. Tesla for example was criticized heavily for doing things like bringing seat manufacturing in house. They understood that everything a user touches and feels should be in house profound knowledge and I believe it is benefiting them in terms of customer satisfaction. Furthermore material science knowledge sharing with SpaceX is very exciting to see and will hopefully increase innovation in the industry.
Its not only Tesla, small business is turning the ship around as well. Another example is Origin USA. They wanted to bring back jiu jitsu gis manufacturing but discovered that most industrial looms were rusting away or shipped overseas. They found one loom in Maine and pulled the old guys who knew how to run it out of retirement to help teach a new young generation to slowly start bringing that experience and capability back into the US.
A lot of profound knowledge has been lost. People forget that technology and what we enjoy does not magically come out of nowhere. It requires sustained effort and on the ground knowledge that has to be maintained or it will be lost.
Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#299We pay Heroku many, many tens of thousands of dollars a year. And I still use free dynos, both personally and at work. For example, throwing up a quick app for testing (where I'm happy with dynos that sleep or are limited per-repo). By pushing us off the Heroku ecosystem for some stuff, we might as well just move everything. The only reason we even use Heroku now is because I used it for free over a decade ago. I get…
What alternative platforms would you consider moving to that have the same features you use/need?
Fly, Render, or (blah) straight AWS. If I was starting from scratch, I'd go all in on Next + Vercel.
Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans
#300Fly.io has a dedicated process for moving off of Heroku. Auth via Heroku and they'll launch your app onto Fly. They also have a free tier. The process: https://fly.io/launch/heroku The docs: https://fly.io/docs/app-guides/speed-up-a-heroku-app I haven't used it [the Heroku -> Fly process] myself, but it's been around for quite some time!
I haven't used Heroku's free product plan myself, but I personally use Fly for my personal blog and website and thoroughly enjoy its pain free deployment process. They also have built in secrets management which I was happy to see. There is GitHub Actions for automating things too.
They supposedly also decrease latency for your application if you migrate your Heroku app there (again, I haven't used this myself so YMMV): https://fly.io/launch/heroku
You do need to enter credit card information as mentioned in this thread.