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Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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First Instagram is not a browser. And second the browser manufacturer (usually) doesn’t make any money by tracking their users. They provide them with a tool, a browser. There is the browser Brave, that replaces ads on websites (and makes some profit with that), and there are some serious legal issues coming with that.

My god...you are like the 8th inactive HN user I saw that suddenly springs into action to suggest Brave or post links to Brave I think we can see whats really going on here. Any chance to drop or mention Brave, after not being active for weeks or months, suddenly congregate to push Brave browser Dang really needs to do something about this type of astroturfing

what are you suggesting? I didn't recommend Brave to anyone, it's just a comparable example to this issue. You can look up their legal issues and build your own opinion based on that.

And why are you suggesting i'm an "inactive user"?

Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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Or maybe... just don't give your kids an iPhone? Seriously, using the internet/computers should be treated with the same level of caution as grown-up scissors or fillet knives; powerful tools, but they need training to avoid hurting yourself with them. If this is what you're worried about, why are you even giving them a small computer in the first place? Your kids will always be more cunning than your security policy…

Says someone who doesn’t have kids. I really don’t think it’s a big empathetic leap to imagine that young teens would want to take part in the modern world, and that includes some access to the internet. And no, constant supervision is not an appropriate answer. Teens will want to research some things without their parents’ knowledge. That’s normal. But it doesn’t mean that we should throw our hands in the air and ma…

> Says someone who doesn’t have kids. I really don’t think it’s a big empathetic leap to imagine that young teens would want to take part in the modern world, and that includes some access to the internet.

At one point, "tak[ing] part in the modern world" included smoking, and lots of kids wanted to do it. Just saying.

Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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post #164

I've meant to write a blog post about this, but here goes: In-app browsers allow users to view inappropriate content, often against the wishes of sensitive individuals. People especially at risk for this include addicts and children. Nearly every app, even "safe apps" including children-rated apps, allow access to an in app browser. Even when iOs has locked down all access to Safari, a parent has removed access to al…

Tangential, but these same links have always been a great way to break out of poorly designed kiosk systems. I recall noodling with a huge interactive display on the side of a bus stop that had an embedded map, and surely enough the TOS link launched a browser, and from there you could use the Save As dialog to get to anything to execute

This is how I get to web videos on my Peloton. Viewing the mandatory software licenses leads to web links and then you can visit anything in that Chrome browser window.

Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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I generally don't see any appeal to in-app browsers in the first place. They often have extremely broken navigation controls (i.e. attempting to swipe back to a previous page usually just returns back to the app), block the ability to navigate to a specific URL, content blockers don't work, don't allow opening "smart links" that would typically open in another app if opened from a normal browser, etc. From what I'm g…

> i.e. attempting to swipe back to a previous page usually just returns back to the app

Is there any way to turn that damn functionality off? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been navigating some newfangled web UI and had a swipe go “back”.

That and disabling pinch to zoom backing out to the tabs UI. I wanna zoom out dammit. Is hitting a back or tab button really so hard that you have to break basic pan/zoom mechanics?!

I know I’m putting off “old man yells at cloud” vibes here, but come on

Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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Do you have kids? It’s really not easy to withdraw all internet access without substantially disadvantaging them. But I don’t want them reading 4chan either. Anything which makes that less likely without fundamentally breaking things is welcome to me.

> But I don’t want them reading 4chan either. I don't think access to 4chan is going to fundamentally change who your kids are.

I think you accidentally a word.

Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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Isn't this the main reason why social media pushes their apps over their (once) perfectly functional websites? Better analytics = better product*. * for the true customers, i.e. marketing & communication firms, governments, etc.

Why do you say “true customers”? Is anyone under the impression that they are a customer of a service they don’t pay for? People would readily identify as a “Twitter user” instead of a “Twitter customer”

E.g. Samsung spies on paying users of their TVs.

Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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Tangential, but these same links have always been a great way to break out of poorly designed kiosk systems. I recall noodling with a huge interactive display on the side of a bus stop that had an embedded map, and surely enough the TOS link launched a browser, and from there you could use the Save As dialog to get to anything to execute

This is how I get to web videos on my Peloton. Viewing the mandatory software licenses leads to web links and then you can visit anything in that Chrome browser window.

Risky share -- the statute of limitations is not up on that one!

Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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post #281

They not only track very invasively what you are doing but they create real problems for websites because certain features wont work anymore. Be it due to them disabling them or third party services having to block their usage because of the huge privacy and data safety issue. Simple example: try to use "Login with Google" from within one of those in-app browsers and you will notice Google had to actively detect them…

I'm with you. If you're navigating to a website, you should open the web browser. The app shouldn't monitor or inject crap when I'm going to an unaffiliated site. The worst offenders are the ones that force you to enter credentials for a 3p account with an in-app browser.

That said, it's a huge UX failure that navigating between the web and an app is so broken. That doesn't mean that it's motivated to break the fundamental models of the web. Long term it does much more harm than good. How do you teach non-technical users good practices if developers circumvent these barriers anyway? "Trust us, we won't steal your Google account" is not exactly reassuring, but ok say that you trust a reputable app to do that. What happens when the user normalizes this behavior and a less reputable app does the same thing? Obviously many users will have no idea of the risk.

Re: Instagram can track anything you do on any website in their in-app browser

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post #164

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Tangential, but these same links have always been a great way to break out of poorly designed kiosk systems. I recall noodling with a huge interactive display on the side of a bus stop that had an embedded map, and surely enough the TOS link launched a browser, and from there you could use the Save As dialog to get to anything to execute

Novell Netware had a similar bug circa 1998 whereby pressing `F1` at the login screen of the terminal opened the help dialog, which opened links in IE ... from there the main Windows shell could be ran and bingo ... you're in.

This brought back many fond memories of using this hack to play Soldier of Fortune 2 on the school network.
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