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Elon’s going to get away with this. Even though he shouldn’t. The rich play by different rules and the law lets them. If the rest of us did the same we would have to pay ridiculous fines and/or spent time behind bars.

Normally I would agree with you, but you have to consider that he’s up against people who are also extremely rich. The legal system might actually need to maintain legitimacy through the proceedings and not just crumple under Elon’s never-ending tantrum.

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Does anyone else see the complete pointlessness in all the cock-sure but entirely speculative comments on this?

You don’t know Musk, or the backend, or anything at all besides what the media tells you and that isn’t 1/10th the whole story.

I get why people wanna talk about it, just not be absolute “well I know this for a fact” smugness that most of the comments here have.

The reality is NONE of you actually KNOW anything and won’t until history determines the victor and you learn some more of that side.

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This article says Musk agreed to buy Twitter mostly as a joke. I think there's a far better explanation. This wasn't a joke for Musk because after agreeing to buy Twitter he proceeded to sell billions of dollars' worth of TSLA stock, supposedly to finance the purchase. Even for the richest man in the world that's not a joke. I think a better explanation is that Musk offered to buy Twitter as a cover for selling billi…

He's sold plenty of Tesla stock over the years. No real need for him to make up a story.

There is certainly some limit to how much of his stake he could sell out of at once without spooking the market and destroying retail investor confidence, though it’s hard to say what that limit is. Without some cover story I suspect an $8.5 billion sale would be newsworthy and significantly impact the share price.

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Taking your version of events at face value: Musk hired a private investigator to dig up dirt on someone who merely criticized his rescue plan, received some lies from said investigator, and uncritically repeated them to his massive social media following, thus smearing the person concerned ... and this makes Musk a tireless advocate for the truth and social media sanity. Musk cultists are the worst. PS, if Musk can…

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> Twitter has said in its SEC filings that it estimates that fewer than 5% of its monetizable daily active users are “false or spam accounts”

Is this different to total percentage of false or spam accounts? The monetizable daily active users seems like a very specific subpopulation of total twitter accounts.

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> What if the court orders Musk to close the deal and he says no? I can't believe people are taking this very silly statement seriously. This is utter nonsense. There are remedies for people who disobey court orders. Having assets makes you more vulnerable to a court's authority because you have something to lose. If a court orders specific performance and he doesn't do it then he's liable and the court will take his…

Ok let’s say he has a bunch of stock as well as paintings, cars, etc. how do you divvy that up? Cut the painting in half and give it to Twitter? The rich are very wise at hiding money in assets that cannot be evenly divided nor distributed. That’s why the vast majority of taxes in the US comes from the middle class, they usually sit on piles of cash and have salaries from which to levy fines to.

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Smoking weed makes you lose your security clearance, Musk did it on camera and still has his because of "reasons". That is one example of the rules that apply to most others not applying to him.

Probably also an example of a rule that should be retired. Either that or they should remove clearance if you enjoy whisky.

I agree it's a dumb rule, but that seems orthogonal to whether Musk should have to follow an established rule. Repealing the rule would be best, but while it's in place equal enforcement is much better than enforcment for everyone except petty billionaires.

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Anytime the idea of a wealth tax is brought up, I see commenters coming out of the woodwork to say that it would be impossible to actually collect it from the wealthy. Though I will note that it seems like we are able to collect yachts and planes from Russian oligarchs now, so perhaps our techniques have advanced in the last few months.

Russian oligarch yacht seizures are a better argument for them than for you. They're worth tens of billions of dollars, and all the US can get is a nine figure boat.

Don’t forget the homes in London, and the billions in frozen bank accounts. Aka everything not in Russia or China.

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According to the Laffer curve it should probably be 70% or so to maximize government income, but yes. If you tax them 100% they'll just stop working or bail to another country, and then you collect zero tax revenue from them. At 70% most of them will just suck it up and pay. (I realize France is a counterpoint here, but I'd argue it was a half-assed attempt, and they have neighboring French-speaking tax havens that h…

The Laffer curve is a fact-free zone except for at it's two end points. The reality is that nobody knows for sure what the curve of revenue vs. tax rate looks like other than at those two end points, which makes the entire concept completely useless.

The most amusing thing about the Laffer curve folk is they mention it, and a breath later will talk about cutting taxes so they can drag the government to a tub and drown it in the bathwater: they don't even pretend to believe that we're at the point on the curve where cutting taxes will increase revenue.

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Taking your version of events at face value: Musk hired a private investigator to dig up dirt on someone who merely criticized his rescue plan, received some lies from said investigator, and uncritically repeated them to his massive social media following, thus smearing the person concerned ... and this makes Musk a tireless advocate for the truth and social media sanity. Musk cultists are the worst. PS, if Musk can…

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So Musk was "too busy" to tell someone "do a background check on this guy" (who was a convicted felon, so not difficult), but not too busy to repeat his claims in emails to Buzzfeed etc.

I'm not perfect, but at least I haven't tried to ruin someone by spreading lies about them to millions of Twitter followers.

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