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Re: Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia

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> I can't wrap my head around how the printer market has turned into this absolutely dispicable, foul state that it is in right now. There's no room left for innovation or competitive advantage. Its a commoditized market where they only make money when you buy their supplies so naturally they will engineer the product to work well with their supplies only. This might be an opportunity for open source printer componen…

No, you're right. There's nothing particularly magical about a printer. The PCL and Postscript specs have been in place for decades. Writing a driver to take that output and drive a print head to put it to paper should be pretty straightforward. (Needing to mark each print at the behest of the Secret Service to prevent counterfeiting is a question mark to me. Is that spec public?) It SEEMS like you could make printer…

I recall in the past, laser printers shared significant guts with copy machines. That's a product with an effectively 100% business market, so they're going to be way more TCO-driven.

From what I understand, once you get far enough above the SOHO market, even current printers are still that way. I suspect in the past, the small laser printer market was getting trickle-down benefits from technology innovations to service the commercial market, but now it's become its own free-standing market which no longer responds to the same signals.

It also makes me wonder if that's the road to an affordable, if overkill, printer-- a module that bypasses the scanning side of a used copier, and renders your PostScript data to it.

Re: Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia

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Almost 40 years ago RMS, the guy people love to hate, created the Free/Libre software movement and a proprietary printer firmware was one of his motivations. For 40 years this guy has been talking about the perils of proprietary software and people gave a shit to him. Today people not only strongly defend proprietary software, but they think he is a moron, and even free/libre software activists think proprietary firm…

I think current proper title for RMS - at least among Properly Thinking People - is "misogynist, ableist, and transphobic" [1]. I haven't heard many people calling him a "moron" though. Extreme idealist with some weird ideas - maybe, but a "moron" - I don't think so, especially as his predictions keep coming true. I'm not sure whether his recipes are the solution, but at least it can be obvious he can see the problem.

[1] https://rms-open-letter.github.io/

Re: Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia

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I have an epson eco-tank printer. I buy 3rd party bottles of ink once every 2-3 years. The upfront cost of the printer (multifunction model ET-4550) was high in 2015 ($500) but I've spent maybe $60-70 in ink to print (as of this morning) 19,536 pages (13,954 in color, 5,582 in B/W). I can't see a good reason to keep buying printers that are locked into proprietary cartridges or toners.

Ecotanks have another problem though. After a certain amount of time they lock themselves into "service mode" because the waste ink pad (or other internal parts) are considered EOL by the printer. The printer has locked itself, and you cannot repair it (unless you send it back and are ready to pay hundreds for it). I firmly believe that they are better than the cartridge scam, but let's not fool ourselves by thinking that they actually made a printer for the users.

Re: Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia

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Are you sure it's really "small in capacity"? I was curious so I opened one of the cartridges my printer reported as empty. There was still plenty of ink in it...

The cartridge Epson's I've had were listed as 5ml cartridges, compared to the 100ml tanks my EcoTank has, that's the comparison I'm making.

I got it. I should put ONLY there. It doesn't matter how much the capacity was, the fact was when I opened it after the printer reported cartridge exhausted, the foams inside were still soaked with ink.

Re: Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia

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It's what they do if there is not a healthy market with lots of innovation and competition. It is a dieing (of maybe stagnant and on the decline) market where the few remaining are squeezing out the last remaining drops of revenue.

Competition isn't allowed to flourish when the market leaders use their runaway profits to buy up any and all possible contenders. My point is that this exact process can be seen across our economy, because anti-competitive behaviour is inherent to the economic system we live in. This is not controversial.

Selfishness and greed are inherent to people,the baby should not be thrown out with the bathwater tho. We should push against the Facebooks of the world because other economic systems have proven to be worse.

Re: Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia

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post #294

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The cartridge Epson's I've had were listed as 5ml cartridges, compared to the 100ml tanks my EcoTank has, that's the comparison I'm making.

I got it. I should put ONLY there. It doesn't matter how much the capacity was, the fact was when I opened it after the printer reported cartridge exhausted, the foams inside were still soaked with ink.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure the manufacturer excuse is that they need a bit extra to ensure print quality; whether or not that's true, ink cartridges of this kind are just a racket.

I'm soooo glad consumer 3d printing has avoided it this far and hopefully the momentum keeps up even as the technology advances.

Re: Tell HN: Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia

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Maximise the waste and minimise the cost, yay !

What?

Buying a whole ass printer to dump it when the initial ink/toner is gone might be economically viable it isn't ecologically viable
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