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Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

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48khz max in 2022. The converters must be where they skimped. You can get a proper RME unit at that price. It looks cute though.

I was thinking the same thing, RME makes the best equipment for pro audio, it's not even a comparison.

Still, I wouldn't mind having a TX-6 (it looks fun), it's just overpriced imo. No way am I dropping $1200 on that. lol

Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

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post #159

"Why is it so expensive?" - commentary from someone who does this for a living at Sequential Small Volume - each unit is more expensive than a large volume product, you don't get price breaks on any components or tooling costs Design focused - Who is the product for? It isn't for people who want to spend 250$ on a Behringer mixer. It is for people who want something that is high quality and doesn't break. Reliable. F…

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Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

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post #159

"Why is it so expensive?" - commentary from someone who does this for a living at Sequential Small Volume - each unit is more expensive than a large volume product, you don't get price breaks on any components or tooling costs Design focused - Who is the product for? It isn't for people who want to spend 250$ on a Behringer mixer. It is for people who want something that is high quality and doesn't break. Reliable. F…

I've been looking for a tiny mixer with 3 band eq + FX sends per channel for a while to run synths and/or decks through. This look like this might fit the bill. The compressor on each channel is a bonus. I'm not entirely sure if there's alternative products that would work for me instead, but this has my attention.

Mcmillen K-mix. I think they released a new version last year.

Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

#295
post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m part of a team that makes low volume high priced electronics. Component costs don’t contribute that much: the price difference between qty 1 and qty 1k is usually much larger than between qty 1k and anything more. The things I see contributing to the cost of low quantity hardware are: 1. The need to amortize development costs over fewer units. This is not just software and hardware engineers, but office space, la…

Component cost increases due to the pandemic and supply chain issues easily increased the price by 25-30% in our industry due to several factors outside of the norm, like some single source parts most companies relied on with factory problems, fires, etc In my experience over the past 6-12 months this is significant

Oh component costs have gone up for sure the last year or so. But I'm saying the per-unit component costs wouldn't be that different between making 1,000 per year or 10,000 per month. [1]

[1]: Except that in the current supply chain environment, it would change the "should we pay scalper prices for that component or should we spend the fixed costs to redesign with a different, more available component" calculus.

Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

#296
post #159

"Why is it so expensive?" - commentary from someone who does this for a living at Sequential Small Volume - each unit is more expensive than a large volume product, you don't get price breaks on any components or tooling costs Design focused - Who is the product for? It isn't for people who want to spend 250$ on a Behringer mixer. It is for people who want something that is high quality and doesn't break. Reliable. F…

Looking at all the features it has in this form factor, plus the supply shortage, I can see why it costs as much as it does. Does it mean it's a good deal? Well maybe, if you want most/all of the features, value portability in terms of form factory plus battery, and like the aesthetics. If this thing ticks a few too many boxes, some alternatives:

- A portable (no battery) 6-stereo/12-mono channel mixer with FX, but no bluetooth or USB-audio interface: 1010bluebox, I have one and it's nice. About $500-600

- A portable battery-powered, 5-mono channel: bastl dude, about $200

- A portable battery-powered 2-mono channel dj mixer: raiden rpm-100, about $200

- A portable battery-powered or usb-powered mixer from unknown brands with possibly questionable audio quality: lots of choices on alibaba and even amazon, for as low as $15. I use a 6-stereo-channel usb-powered moukey on my office desk that cost $25 and is adequate for day-to-day usage but clips easily

- Less portable but still small traditional mixers with ~4 inputs: lots of choices from mackie, behringer, yamaha, etc in the $50-200 range

- Also: passive mixers that pretty much just sum the signals, can be found for cheap ($20 or less), but you'll usually need to connect them to something that will amplify the output

Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

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post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Component cost increases due to the pandemic and supply chain issues easily increased the price by 25-30% in our industry due to several factors outside of the norm, like some single source parts most companies relied on with factory problems, fires, etc In my experience over the past 6-12 months this is significant

Oh component costs have gone up for sure the last year or so. But I'm saying the per-unit component costs wouldn't be that different between making 1,000 per year or 10,000 per month. [1] [1]: Except that in the current supply chain environment, it would change the "should we pay scalper prices for that component or should we spend the fixed costs to redesign with a different, more available component" calculus.

Your making the assumption that one can buy 1000 of any part, which is likely incorrect

These ain’t normal times

Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

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post #159

"Why is it so expensive?" - commentary from someone who does this for a living at Sequential Small Volume - each unit is more expensive than a large volume product, you don't get price breaks on any components or tooling costs Design focused - Who is the product for? It isn't for people who want to spend 250$ on a Behringer mixer. It is for people who want something that is high quality and doesn't break. Reliable. F…

> $250 on a Behringer mixer. Yamaha, Mackie, Allen & Heath, Soundcraft, and ART all make mixers with at least 6 channels on them in the $250 price range. So, there's more to the mixer landscape than Teenage Eng. and Behringer. I can't comment on all the brands, but I've used Yamaha and Mackie for years, with virtually zero problems. My old Yamaha 12 channel (which would retail for $300 today) was an absolute tank. It…

I'm not sure what the target market is either, but I suspect people who highly value portability would be a large part of it. This thing packs a lot of features in a really tiny form factor (potentially replacing bigger mixers and an FX pedal, dunno if the sequencer/synth is worth anything), and has a battery. If you have a lot of studio equipment including eurorack, big keyboard synths and other gear I suspect you wouldn't quite fit that description, this thing would get lost in the studio.

Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

#299
post #36

Small, portable mixers with lots of stereo inputs are relatively rare. That plus the Teenage Engineering "tax" (think Apple tax but for synth-heads) is driving the price. A cheaper, but slightly less tactile alternative is the 1010 Music Bluebox: https://1010music.com/product/bluebox

I'm a bluebox owner, was happy to pay the extra $ to get something that wouldn't take up a large chunk of my desk. Gets the job done, no complaints.

Re: TX-6 – Teenage Engineering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> doesn't break Can get behind the rest of your comment but I don't think anyone's ever accused TE of making durable products. To their credit though, they replaced my broken PO without a fuss, so I'm not a detractor.

TE is a trademark of Tyco Electronics, a very popular connector and electrical device supplier (audio included), and could be a confusing acronym to use for Teenage Engineering.

In the context of the linked post, nobody is confused.
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