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Facebook paid Republican strategy firm to malign TikTok

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Re: Facebook paid Republican strategy firm to malign TikTok

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Facebook is a major contributor to the pointless cultural war obsession and the erosion of pro-social norms though.

So are the telephone and families getting together for the holidays.

Surely you realize how much of a stretch that is. If you wanted to say broadcast television or radio you might have a point but analogizing an algorithmic feed tuned to stoke outrage to families spending time together is just a farcically bad faith approach.

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oh my. are we equating Japan with China?

Is it bizarre to compare countries with other countries generally, or only when one is on the official enemies list?

There's nothing wrong with comparing countries, but it's ridiculous to compare countries which have systems of de facto central control, vs systems that do not.

Xi (and the CCP) don't interfere directly very often, but he can and will do so as he chooses. He's an Emperor. Nobody has that kind of power in Japan.

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Hyperbolic for sure but I do not think it is naive at all. Facebook has proven many times over they are basically the Mafia of Silicon Valley and nothing they say should be trusted or taken at face value. That being said there are many other threats to western society and while many or most of those will exploit Facebook as much as they can for influence they will continue to exist should Facebook fall.

The Engineering wage raises during 2010-2014 are a huge part due to Facebook back then entering a biding war for talent, which google had to counter which raised comps for everyone. Also, after 2015 you had more companies hitting the fray (Uber, Airbnb, etc). If it wasn't for Facebook, the compensation industry wise would look something like MSFT's comp (pretty low in general). So, for one thing, Meta / Facebook has…

Uh society is more important than SV engineering wages, full stop. You’re looking at a single tree and ignoring the forest of manipulation FB has done to society.

Re: Facebook paid Republican strategy firm to malign TikTok

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Why is it hyperbolic and why is it naive? It was a tool used to influence elections in the United States, I can't think of any other entity that has had a larger negative impact on our society recently (maybe coronavirus?).

> It was a tool used to influence elections in the United States Are you talking about fake Russian accounts buying $100k worth of facebook ads in 2016? That constitutes 0.00625% of total spending (1.6 bn) on the 2016 election. Or are you talking about something else? https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/facebook-sold-100000-ads-fak...

It swings in every direction. Not just what they allow in terms of ads but what gets suppressed, promoted, shown/reshown. Visibility and not.

Re: Facebook paid Republican strategy firm to malign TikTok

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Is it bizarre to compare countries with other countries generally, or only when one is on the official enemies list?

There's nothing wrong with comparing countries, but it's ridiculous to compare countries which have systems of de facto central control, vs systems that do not. Xi (and the CCP) don't interfere directly very often, but he can and will do so as he chooses. He's an Emperor. Nobody has that kind of power in Japan.

Any government can and will control any present company if "national" interests are in question.

Re: Facebook paid Republican strategy firm to malign TikTok

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There's nothing wrong with comparing countries, but it's ridiculous to compare countries which have systems of de facto central control, vs systems that do not. Xi (and the CCP) don't interfere directly very often, but he can and will do so as he chooses. He's an Emperor. Nobody has that kind of power in Japan.

Any government can and will control any present company if "national" interests are in question.

Again this is unhelpful rhetorical relativism, because the circumstances of 'national interest' are defined completely differently.

Yes, if someone is pointing Nuclear Weapons at Japan, they will force Yahoo.jp to fork over data on the spot, but otherwise, no.

In China, a random person making a comment about someone in government could be suppressed as a matter of 'national interest'.

It's pointless to make rhetorical analogies. Even if one could argue they are 'different in extent and not in character' (though I would disagree), the 'extent of difference' is sufficient to make them different in character.

A random person walking down the street has little to fear in either country, but that line can be crossed quickly and arbitrarily in authoritarian regimes.

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>What is a "Republican strategy firm?" A consulting firm that advertises itself as being "born from political campaigns" and being "right of center." Both things on the second slide of their homepage.

>Stagwell, formerly The Stagwell Group, is a global marketing and communications group. Founded in 2015 by Mark Penn. >Penn was a chief strategist and pollster in the Hillary Clinton 2008 presidential campaign

hahaha amazing. This isn't contradictory at all tho. "I'm not saying she's a republican, I'm just saying the republicans think she's a republican."

Re: Facebook paid Republican strategy firm to malign TikTok

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Lots of comments to this miss the point. If another tech company uses a “Democrat strategy firm”, the report won’t mention it, or even put it in the title.

Every article about Mark Penn’s work for Microsoft mentioned that he was a Democratic strategist at the time.

Yes. That’s exactly the same.

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>I’d say the single greatest threat at the moment is hyper-aggressive, unnecessary NATO expansion at the behest of the “defense” industry provoking other nuclear powers into armed conflicts. Nobody was proposing to expand NATO until Russia invaded a country that had no other defense umbrella.

> Nobody was proposing to expand NATO

“We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance” June 2021

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm

Also for those “flagging” my verifiable facts: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/04/politics/igor-danchenko-arres...

Re: Facebook paid Republican strategy firm to malign TikTok

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> Facebook continues to be the single greatest threat to Western society outside of Russia. this statement is both hyperbolic and naive at the same time.

Why is it hyperbolic and why is it naive? It was a tool used to influence elections in the United States, I can't think of any other entity that has had a larger negative impact on our society recently (maybe coronavirus?).

Nothing in Russia is in any sense a "great threat to Western society".
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