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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Whats is that thing the blonde soldier is holding? Brightness meter? A nokia proto-smartphone?

Might just be a pen. If the object would have the width of a smartphone, the soldier wouldn't be able to wrap her ringfinger around like in the picture.

Well the with is nearly like the length of her finger, and she has some color-table in her hand, maybe some infrared meter?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Further down that rabbit hole: https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-h...

Whats is that thing the blonde soldier is holding? Brightness meter? A nokia proto-smartphone?

She's taking a picture with her phone...

The caption implies that this is from 1993, but it's a much more recent crop of cadets on a visit to Vares later.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Interesting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_war_comes

Further down that rabbit hole: https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-h...

That was a fascinating read. I did my military service in Sweden in 2010 and one of the quotes I remember most clearly from my commanding officers was "Hesitation kills" ("Tvekan dödar" in swedish), and that seems to be a direct heritage of the doctrine outlined in the article.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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post #282

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Whats is that thing the blonde soldier is holding? Brightness meter? A nokia proto-smartphone?

She's taking a picture with her phone... The caption implies that this is from 1993, but it's a much more recent crop of cadets on a visit to Vares later.

Ha thanks for the clarification, but it's a bit too late i already started a article for Vice that time travelers exist ;)

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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That seems self-defeating via Streisand Effect or at least Cry Wolf effect. Most of the people who’d believe a video saying the opposite of what they’d expect is real have never been aware of deep fakes. And now thanks to this poor deepfake they are aware of deepfakes and are primed to question future videos, even if they seem real.

Good point. Hm, it might be my bubble making me think, that of course people will have heard of usage of AI to fake videos, even if they don't necessarily call them "deep fake" or stuff like that. I wonder how likely it really is, that people have not heard about the idea of videos being fake, involving making people say things they never said and making them look realistic.

My parent's generation all forward "articles" to each other's inboxes with full text in the message body. None of them, as far as I'm aware, have yet questioned who wrote the article, where it was published, what other sources have run the story, or whether the article content in the email message body has been manipulated.

Videos being fake? That's asking an order of magnitude more scepticism from them.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

Interesting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_war_comes

Good thing WP has a link to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_book entry in that article; a lot of people nowadays probably don't know WTF that is...

I'm not middle-aged, I'm from the Middle Ages.

(Works better in Swedish: Jag är inte medelålders, jag är medeltida.)

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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post #282

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Whats is that thing the blonde soldier is holding? Brightness meter? A nokia proto-smartphone?

She's taking a picture with her phone... The caption implies that this is from 1993, but it's a much more recent crop of cadets on a visit to Vares later.

> The caption implies that this is from 1993,

Not necessarily. Here it is:

> Cadets view the sign on the Nordbat 2 school in Vareš and testify of the city's appreciation of the Swedish UN Federation's efforts in autumn 1993. (Johan Nordén/Försvarsmakten)

That must be intended to say the appreciated efforts took place in autumn 1993. But yeah, somewhat ambiguous.

> but it's a much more recent crop of cadets on a visit to Vares later.

Kind of a pilgrimage? If the pic was relatively recent at the time of that blog post (September 2017), many (most?) of those cadets probably hadn't even been born in 1993.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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post #291

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Might just be a pen. If the object would have the width of a smartphone, the soldier wouldn't be able to wrap her ringfinger around like in the picture.

Well the with is nearly like the length of her finger, and she has some color-table in her hand, maybe some infrared meter?

That's probably not the width of the object: It's a smartphone seen edge-on, so your "width" is actually the thickness. Well, mostly; the left half of what we see of it is probably (judging from the differing shades of black) a foreshortened view of the back of it, and the right part the edge. It has the rounded-rectangle look of an iPhone; did they have a single camera lens in the upper left (head-on) / right (from the user's side) corner with a silver-ish border around it?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

Interesting! By the way, I'm curious about the word "uppges" . After running the sentence both through DeepL.com and Google Translate they seem to return the translation "Any message that the resistance should be stated is false" (though DeepL does list "abandoned" and "quit" among many options in the translation result dropdown). Also, after checking out Wiktionary [0]. I see it only lists "to give as a fact; to sta…

As others have said, "skall uppges" is just the passive future-tense form of "att ge upp" ("to give up" --> "shall be given up"). Someone said the text was written in the 1960s. I'm not sure about that, but I do know it was continuously re-published throughout the 1980s... And already, the usage is unfamiliar to current dictionaries and translation resources! In a few decades more, it will be as gobbledy-gook to (then-)current Swedish-speakers as stuff from the 1940s is now.

This is why we "linguistic prescriptivists" fight our lonely rearguard action: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30712765

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

> In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). I love this, as in California the phone directories all had a section about what to do in an earthquake and other emergency. Local knowledge for local situations. The reason was that in those days the telephone book was the only book you could guarantee would be in every house (the unstated reason was that it w…

> I wonder how many people even knew that section existed, much less consulted it.

The Californian one on earthquakes? No idea. But the Swedish one on war: Pretty much everybody certainly knew of it, and probably most had at least cursorily perused it.

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