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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by smt88 »

the_af wrote: post #239
smt88 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when the US government/military was killing Iraqi and Afghani civilians and destroying non-military targets The US should not have invaded Iraq for any reason. I would have supported sanctions against the US for those crimes if any country could afford them. That said, Saddam Hussein's government is not Zelenskyy's government. They're apples and oranges. Ukraine was a functioning democracy that never antagonized Ru…

> Ukraine was a functioning democracy that never antagonized Russia In no way, shape or form should my following comment be construed as support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and just in case let me clearly state I think the invasion is not right and that I think it will be Putin's downfall, and deservedly so. That said, that Ukraine was a "functioning democracy" and that it never antagonized Russia are very deba…

Yeah, my choice of wording was bad. By "never antagonized Russia" I meant "didn't provoke this conflict." I know the countries have a long history.

Ukraine's democracy wasn't perfect, but elections were successfully rigged at least. It was functional if not necessarily unassailable.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by lmm »

smt88 wrote: post #192
waffleiron wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>He's certainly much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because he can unilaterally end human life on earth at any moment of any day. This is Biden too. Literally can unilaterally start a nuclear war.

> This is Biden too. Literally can unilaterally start a nuclear war. So what? What does that have to do with anything? Biden has never threatened nuclear war and has nothing to gain from it. Putin has threatened it repeatedly in the last few weeks. Biden is more powerful than Putin, Stalin, or Hitler, but he is not as dangerous .

Biden frequently misspeaks or gets confused, and refuses to take dementia tests, so if he really can unilaterally launch then I'd actually be pretty worried about that.

(I think there are other people in the loop in the case of the US president though? Personally I've always been most worried about the Royal Navy's submarine captains, who really do have the ability to launch unilaterally in a very direct way)

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by forum_ghost »

hedora wrote: post #283
totorovirus wrote: post #274

Is it necessary to boycott private firms that didn't necessarily support the government decision? Or is there any proof that they actually played a role in current ukraine situation?

Yes, it is necessary in times of war.

100% positive that your current jurisdiction did not declare war on Yandex.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by powersnail »

oefrha wrote: post #285
mmastrac wrote: post #282

I am consistently disappointed by any thread involving Mozilla on Hacker News. Somehow Mozilla is held to an impossible standard. For the one company out there holding the internet away from a WebKit monoculture, they sure get the short end of the stick by people here.

Because people want to see them spend their efforts on holding the Internet back from a WebKit monoculture, and donate to that cause, but they keep wasting resources on political activism, pointless bs like time-limited themes, etc. while downsizing their engineering team. Not doing those isn’t “impossible”, in fact they go out of their way to disappoint people with those distractions.

I don't think Firefox actually takes donation anyway. It's specifically put under Mozilla Corporation so it can generate profit.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by staticassertion »

mmastrac wrote: post #282

I am consistently disappointed by any thread involving Mozilla on Hacker News. Somehow Mozilla is held to an impossible standard. For the one company out there holding the internet away from a WebKit monoculture, they sure get the short end of the stick by people here.

I'm fine with this move but Mozilla has sunk well below an acceptable bar. The company sucks and has failed us all. The CEO is a joke and should have never been in the position.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by sonicggg »

ummonk wrote: post #267
asveikau wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to go there, but reports are that the Russian Federation is not currently making this distinction in Ukraine right now.

Even if that were true (it’s not - high collateral damage is not the same as not making a distinction), that doesn’t justify us deciding to also treat Russian civilians as military.

What is the alternative then?

Nobody has done anything after the fake bombings before the Cechnya intervention in 1999, which at least is in their own territory. But then again silence in 2008 after the Georgia invasion, and again in Crimea in 2014. They are using their nuclear arsenal as a free pass to invade everyone and break every treaty.

I think it just became unsustainable at this point. And honestly this is the best we can do to help without making things worse.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by lmm »

millzlane wrote: post #181
thbw wrote: post #162

Throwaway for obvious reasons. This is hypocrisy of Western democracy. I can't recall when Google was removed after US invaded so many countries. Why do Western companies oppress free speech when it doesn't match their narrative (Julian Assange, now Russian media)? Why not give Russian "propaganda" tell its narratives and let people decide? Are you afraid of their truth/"truth" or are you afraid people will follow th…

How is Mozilla choosing which search engines to show in their browser oppressing of free speech? "Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech Are they blocking users from going to those sites? No. Are they preventing those sit…

> How is Mozilla choosing which search engines to show in their browser oppressing of free speech?

> "Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

This is explicitly Mozilla retaliating against Yandex for things they've said.

> Are they blocking users from going to those sites? No. Are they preventing those sites from loading in the browser? No. Are they stopping anyone from creating a website and saying whatever they want? No.

This is disingenuous. They're very deliberately making it less convenient for users to access Yandex.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by Storm6473 »

mmastrac wrote: post #282

I am consistently disappointed by any thread involving Mozilla on Hacker News. Somehow Mozilla is held to an impossible standard. For the one company out there holding the internet away from a WebKit monoculture, they sure get the short end of the stick by people here.

I'm also confused by the reaction here. Firefox isn't censoring anything. Yandex is no longer listed as a default search engine but, as others have pointed out, you can add it back if you want it.

Firefox, at least where I am in the US, also doesn't list Baidu as a possible search engine. If Firefox had decided to remove Google from this list because of privacy issues, HN would be cheering loudest.

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