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Why John Mearsheimer Blames the U.S. for the Crisis in Ukraine

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Here is an article about the background to the war: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/implementing-minsk-ag... Zelsynsky promised better relations with Russia but didn't follow through.

Zelenskyy promised? I can't see that anywhere in the article. In fact, the only mention of that sort of thing is Russian expectations: " In 2019 the Kremlin expected that Volodymyr Zelensky’s victory in the presidential elections would change Ukraine’s agenda, making peace in the Donbas a top priority. " Zelenskyy has always been pro-EU, anti-Russian.

It's not in the article but it is still a well-known fact: https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/The-election-of-Vol... Zelensky ran on a platform that included reconcilation with Moscow and which was neither pro-EU nor anti-Russian.

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There's nothing inevitable here. The Russian army is being show to be a joke right now. Ultimately there will have to be some sort of negotiated peace (Ukraine can't fight all the way to Moscow) but the more of the Russian Army they destroy and the longer they hold them off the better the terms they will get.

Stop buying the narrative that the media is concocting.

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> 2014 led to the Euromaidan protests, complete with violence, that led to that government's collapse. This was the time when Russia annexed Crimea and civil war broke out in Donetsk and Luhansk Your have written a lot but omitted the crucial details about the maidan. US instigated the coup and installed nationalistic government. The separatist tendencies were the direct result of that government's actions.

Bingo. There are audio tapes that prove this as well.

These audio tapes:

* https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

* https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/...

(I like the line, "A "new low?" From a Russian perspective, assuming they did it, it was brilliant. And it didn't require assassinating a former spy in a foreign capital with a radioactive isotope.")

There's nothing there about a "US instigated coup." What you're looking at are boring US State Department discussions of how to, yes, arrange to move the situation closer to something the US would like. Who to talk to, what to talk about. That's what they do. Here's the conclusion of the BBC diplomatic correspondent:

"The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked."

One should note that Russia was also engaged in shenanigans, including providing advisors in the operations to suppress the protests. (You don't see the phrase "the use of snipers to disperse crowds" very often.)

This phone call was released in early February 2014, during the protests. Unless you somehow believe that the US has mind-control technology that can cause tens of thousands of innocent people to risk their lives protesting their government, there is not a whole lot of US agency here.

I know this is hard to believe, but people outside the US are actually people, and have their own beliefs and values, and are capable of making their own decisions.

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Yup. We have this MCU good guys vs bad guys thing ingrained in us now. Nobody wants to talk seriously about the intricate complexities. My way or the highway. Russia bad. Ukraine good. America leader of the free world. Go to sleep. Eat. Buy. Work. Rinse. Repeat.

There is nothing complex about it. They're bombing hospitals and schools and they're doing it intentionally.

Just like we do!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airs...

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Zelenskyy promised? I can't see that anywhere in the article. In fact, the only mention of that sort of thing is Russian expectations: " In 2019 the Kremlin expected that Volodymyr Zelensky’s victory in the presidential elections would change Ukraine’s agenda, making peace in the Donbas a top priority. " Zelenskyy has always been pro-EU, anti-Russian.

It's not in the article but it is still a well-known fact: https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/The-election-of-Vol... Zelensky ran on a platform that included reconcilation with Moscow and which was neither pro-EU nor anti-Russian.

There's not much in that article about Zelenskyy and Russian relations, before or after his election. Certainly nothing about "reconciliation" with Russia, just settlements in the Donbas war.

"...he leveraged his massive online following into a serious campaign against official corruption. ... [In his post-election speech,] Zelensky vowed that his first goal as president would be to achieve a lasting peace in war-torn eastern Ukraine. ... This confirmation of Zelensky’s mandate allowed him to promote a peace settlement that would see Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed insurgents withdraw from the so-called “contact line” in eastern Ukraine. Zelensky’s opponents characterized the move as a capitulation that would do nothing but legitimize Russian aggression in the Donets Basin and Crimea, but he retained widespread support from a war-weary public."

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It can be America’s fault for antagonizing Russia, while it is Russia’s fault for shelling college dorms. If this is cognitive dissonance so be it.

If you are fine with the claim America goaded Russia into war, I don't see how you can then say America doesn't have blood on its hands. Clearly both would be culpable under the premise, regardless of who deserves what share of blame.

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The same "right" the US would have had with Cuba if Khrushchev didn't remove the missiles, or the same "right" the US exercises when a small country with oil ponders denominating it in a different currency.

And US was also fucking wrong. Imperialism is evil.

Agreed. You have to ask yourself though: Why is the Western media so intent on cleaning Russia's house, while vehemently denying, dutifully downplaying, the West's own squalor?

It is a truly striking example of "the beam and the mote." After we remove the beam from our own eye, I will be glad to address Russia's splinter.

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In that case, would you rely on Russia to stay neutral? Why didn’t staying neutral prevent Russia from occupying Crimea?

Because the CIA backed a coup in Ukraine?

Says who?

I’m only caught up to what’s been declassified, so I had to google what you’re talking about. This [0] is a good enough answer for me: CIA involvement in 2014 is a rumor at best and Russian propaganda at worst. I like knowing what my government is up to so if you have a credible source by all means…

> The claims are coming from Putin's advisers who threatened to invade Ukraine. However, there's a problem with this stance - Ukraine protesters did not need significant funds and had very few weapons, mostly self-made Molotov cocktails, and absolutely no heavy weapons or even machine guns. Their actions were fairly chaotic, but when 300,000 people pour on the streets, little can be done in response. In the meantime, no CIA agents were documented in Kiev - Russia would have advertised such evidence if there was any.

Further down:

> There was no “coup.” After about three months of protests and police violence against demonstrators, Ukrainian president Yanukovych fled the country to escape prosecution, was kicked out of his own party, and voted out of office, peacefully, by a majority of the democratically elected parliament, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. The largest block of parliamentarians that voted him out were his own party members and former party members.

[0] https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Uk...

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MAD is a defense against complete invasion, but not a defense against strangulation via power projection. Non nuclear military projection matters because not everything is a nuclear war. They are encircled by the US which has invaded and toppled more regimes than any other country in the world, and destroyed or destabilized several Russian allied countries in the last 2 decades alone. It still matters where bases are…

> strangulation via power projection. Cool metaphor there, but exactly what do you have in mind? Let's say every single neighbor of Russia becomes a NATO member, how does that strangulation via power projection work? Or in our concrete case, let's say Ukraine becomes a NATO member, who is going to threaten Russia, and how? Preferably in more concrete terms, rather than metaphors.

In concrete examples if a future conflict of interests arises:

They could shut down more airspace to russian reinforcement of allies.

They could more easily cut off access access ports in the black sea.

They could invade Belarus on a new front.

They could move conventional and nuclear bombers closer to moscow.

They could arm Russian revolutionaries using the land boarder.

Being encircled makes it harder for Russia to respond to many many threats.

In the last 20 years, the US attacked and toppled Russian friendly governments in Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, and lybia. Close bases were very helpful in each case.

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