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What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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I think this misses the point entirely. It's their entire strategy, or lack of strategy that is in question. Small numbers of light vehicles entering towns they have not overcome...are then promptly destroyed by irregular Ukrainian forces often with improvised weapons. Seemingly trying to take large cities without first gaining and controlling ground and surrounding areas. Lack of attempts to destroy strategic infras…

I think the reason was, we just waltz into Kyev, get greeted as saviors and liberators, maybe shoot Zelenskyy and his circle in the head by mistake, or just make them disappear, install another friendly ruler (collaborator would be more appropriate, like Kadyrov in Chechnya) and Ukraine will be part of Russia within next few years, or end up as slave without any real autonomy like Belarus. If that's the case, industr…

> Why destroy & rebuild when you get it for free and can start draining the country immediately.

Also, assuming any of the responsible thought about this beforehand at all (which IS an assumption), they probably expected further economic sanctions of SOME sort from invading. Rebuilding costs money. Rebuilding things like high-tech fighter aircraft costs truly ridiculous amounts of money. There were plenty of reasons they would have hoped to be able to do this all on a modest budget.

Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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>Violence also helps back the idea that Russia needs to be there to stop the violent nazis that state media has painted Ukrainians to be (goes without saying, this is completely fabricated). It definitely isn't "completely fabricated": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion The real problem is, who gives a shit if a small unit in the Ukrainian National Guard is made up of far right extremists? It's a purely i…

the claim that russia needs to invade ukraine to stop nazis is completely fabricated, the claim isn’t “nazis exist”

Please actually read my post, since that's not my claim

Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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The "stumped" is not actually in the article. FTA: the issue is that Russia made a huge show of force at the start of the invasion but has apparently held back from actually using much of it (by air or ground). This war could have been over the day it started if Russia had used maximal force, and the conservative approach their actually using maximizes risks and casualties. And that's what has the experts confused: t…

I don't understand why people just don't believe Russia is being literal with their intentions. They said multiple times they don't want Ukraine, they just don't want NATO to be able to invade them by land. I'd you assume this is true, what they are doing make complete sense.

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Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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If that is the case, why would officials and experts be "stumped"? This seems like the obvious explanation.

I don't see why an official would publicly broadcast active wartime capabilities and tactics that might not be known. And, there's a strong possibility that we're experiencing some psyops here, to make the Russians appear incompetent. There's an active war. If history has taught us anything, psyops is as sure as death, in war.

> And, there's a strong possibility that we're experiencing some psyops here, to make the Russians appear incompetent.

Given their unencrypted radio communication they have done a fair effort to support that idea themselves.

Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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I guess everyone's weighing in with their view, so why not? Firstly, we should be mindful that the fog of war is now in play, and a good amount of what we think we know is unverifiable. With that caveat out of the way... It seems that the Russian soldiers are making efforts to avoid attacking civilians directly. Counterexamples exist and could be explained by rogue units, incompetence, or hot-blooded revenge on local…

It seems that the Russian soldiers are making efforts to avoid attacking civilians directly. We must define "efforts" or "avoid" very differently. At the very start of the invasion, there was a video of Russian tanks deliberately trying to run over civilian cars.

The video I think you are referring to shows the tank swerving to avoid incoming fire and (presumably accidentally) running over a civilian car.

Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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Yeah, I was under the impression pre-Ukraine that Russia was an "nth generation" fighter supplier, and therefore should have air superiority almost by default. I was corrected that nobody seems to buy Russia's offerings, and those that were made are basically for show and not in mass production. I also realized that air superiority, as in expensive jets attacking from distance and altitude, might not matter if the en…

I don't think anyone who've seen Russian made Lada would dare to buy Russian made fighter jets.

Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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This is a kind of Catch 22 situation with how to deliver those MIG-29s: If a Polish pilot flies it to Ukraine, Russia will consider that an act of war, and possibly start bombarding Poland. If Ukrainian pilot comes to Poland and takes off from a Polish airport then again: that is an act of war. The only possibility to deliver them without joining the war against Russia seems to be to disassemble those MIGs and send t…

All EU countries started supplying arms to Ukraine. If it is a plane or anti-tank missile makes no difference.

Sending supplies is just business, no different from selling food. Allowing to use the military infrastructure, such as an airport is an act of war. It might seem weird to you, but that's how Russia would paint it.

Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "stumped" is not actually in the article. FTA: the issue is that Russia made a huge show of force at the start of the invasion but has apparently held back from actually using much of it (by air or ground). This war could have been over the day it started if Russia had used maximal force, and the conservative approach their actually using maximizes risks and casualties. And that's what has the experts confused: t…

I don't understand why people just don't believe Russia is being literal with their intentions. They said multiple times they don't want Ukraine, they just don't want NATO to be able to invade them by land. I'd you assume this is true, what they are doing make complete sense.

Except for when they said they were going to "show them real decommunization", kill everyone in government, that it didn't deserve to be a country and they should reform the Russian Empire, sure.

It seems that whether this succeeds or fails it'll actually increase their land borders with NATO.

Re: What happened to Russias Air Force? U.S. officials, experts stumped

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No, I cannot

Sounds like a lack of imagination, honestly. Per your sibling comment Ukraine needs all the resources it can get

For some reason, I feel like assistance in the effort from nazis would actually be a net harm to the cause.
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