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Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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post #182

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> In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people Wut? Have you actually ever met a person who can't? I always suspected the electoral majority is not particularly bright (which sort of contradicts the idea of near-100 being an average IQ nevertheless) but if this is "unusually smart" then things feel really creepy.

The average IQ by definition is 100. In civilised countries it is above that.

In some definitions of civil, the US would not qualify.

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post #69

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That’s pedantic and not even that right. The browser is an agent, not a bot. A bot takes semi-autonomous actions after being instructed by a human, for an undetermined amount of time; A browser just does something it’s told for a few seconds (or as long as the website’s open)

I'll just use Selenium to direct the browser then.

I suspect this how a large part of web UI spam occurs. Selenium combined with the latest browsers provide almost perfect control over a real web browser. It makes me wonder if this is how Google tests its "I am not a bot" test. Basically, generate billions of actions -- surfing a web UI -- with slightly different mouse movements (Selenium). Then, use machine learning to generate a network to differentiate between robots and humans. (The humans training data would come from a highly quality population... like all Googlers using internal Google assets/websites.)

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

> In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people Wut? Have you actually ever met a person who can't? I always suspected the electoral majority is not particularly bright (which sort of contradicts the idea of near-100 being an average IQ nevertheless) but if this is "unusually smart" then things feel really creepy.

Here is a video about how to solve this captcha. The comments clearly indicate that many people are having trouble with this kind of captcha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGl2SMg4rU4

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Counting spots? Not the biggest challenge for a robot. I wonder if there are any disability legal concerns with this?

Well, counting spots and also printed numbers in a specific font. And then figuring out if the question is to sum them, or identify the highest number, or "how many threes?", etc.

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post #177

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We're presumably speaking about a shared bathroom in your home, not about travel accommodation. It would infringe upon a fundamental need for privacy that people have: having a space that is yours alone, where you are free to do whatever, without being observed by others. I've seen some (studio) apartments that have a private bathroom that outside the front door, but still inside the building. I would very much disli…

I lived in a dorm for 2 years in college. Not only did I not have a private bathroom, but I also had a roommate, so really I had no reliably private place at all. It was fine. I mean occasionally privacy would be nice, but I also enjoyed the increased sense of community in the dorms. Maybe you'd hate this, but that doesn't make it a violation of human rights or anything.

Times change. It might not be a human right, but expectations of minimum quality of life improving over the course of decades is a good thing.

US college students not having individual rooms and bathrooms is a scam though due to the prices the kids pay the college.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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> Mailboxes, fire hydrants, Trams are not recognizable for billions of people. Cheese is though? And I'm pretty sure most of the world would recognise those things anyway - you forget how much American culture is spread through films and TV.

Did you look at the capture? For cheese it was a camera not actual cheese.

What's it like being a robot?

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> Mailboxes, fire hydrants, Trams are not recognizable for billions of people. Cheese is though? And I'm pretty sure most of the world would recognise those things anyway - you forget how much American culture is spread through films and TV.

Putting aside the fact that at least 50% of the world doesn't speak English and might not even know what "cheese" is, a lot of the world does not subsist on dairy products or use cheese and will not recognise images of cheese. Neither will they understand the traditional American schoolbus which is a very distinctive thing and will pick any old bus that appears on the photos as long as it looks like a large motor veh…

> 65% of India is rural and a ton of these people do not have access to the internet and will have zero idea how to get through these arcane captchas

Damn I didn't know so many rural Indians without internet access are using AirBnB...

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I've run into these before, on a site run by DataBricks. If you've never tried them, then you need to believe OP: There is something deeply broken about them. I suspect they're only used when the company doesn't want you to access the resource they're protecting.

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Somebody tries to break into your house 10% of the time you leave?

> Somebody tries to break into your house 10% of the time you leave? Option A: 10% of time their unlocked house is broken into. Option B: The poster was using an analogy to illustrate a point.

My joke did not work this time

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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post #162

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By your definition would a screen reader turn the browser into a bot? If not, if a I program my own “bot” isn’t it just working as my own agent?

Maybe depends on whether you are "driving" the agent personally?

If it’s my bot, it’s literally doing what I told it to do (how I bought a PS5 in my sleep, actually).
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