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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by MangoCoffee »

polotics wrote: post #136

Never again windows with Microsoft accounts. I have two windows 10 licenses, one home and one pro. I made the mistake of associating the licenses to my Microsoft account and now there is no way to move the pro license from the old PC to the new one. The Microsoft support site is a complete joke of unpaid chatterers that send you on wild goose chase, the web is full of SEO bullshit site that keyword-dance around the i…

is it OEM license? you can't transfer OEM license to another machine. i have retail Win10 and i have no problem transfer it.

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Post by alar44 »

Guys, Microsoft doesn't give two shits about home users. Their bread and butter is businesses. And M365 is amazing for business.

If you think M$ suxors, you're not the target demographic. I'd much rather manage 200 users with M365 than some fucked up combo of slack, Google, Dropbox, and libreoffice.

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Post by zeusk »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #262
zeusk wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's all a part of them trying to turn Windows into iOS like device management system, including the "family" aspect of app store and subscriptions. When was the last time you used an iOS device without an Apple ID?

> When was the last time you used an iOS device without an Apple ID? That's not the point. The point is that Apple gives you a choice.

Have you actually used the device with that choice? Pretty hard when every app and functionality expects some sort of cross device or global identity tie in.

BTW, the choice still exists but is only readily shown on enterprise sku

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by colordrops »

Macha wrote: post #248
colordrops wrote: post #203

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Gnome is the only linux desktop environment that got 4k (sort of) right. If you don't like gnome then you are on your own. I use sway/wayland for work and i3/xorg for home and I got them to work in 4k after days of customization. Wayland, X, sway, each version of gtk, qt, and various apps all have their own configuration, each which need to be configured separately, often with conflicting results, and when finally fu…

What are you configuring for 4k?

I set base DPI to native. Then set GDK environment variables to scale up to double so UI and fonys aren't tiny in apps like chromium. QT scaling env variables, and the Trolltech conf for font size in apps like Beyond Compare. Then a HiDPI font config for Gimp. Each version of GTK has its own dconf settings. Then there's Firefox which requires an environment variable for HiDPI in wayland. Mouse cursor size must be configured in both Sway and X. Font size for terminals like Kitty. Display managers often have their own separate config, e.g. SDDM. Its a nightmare.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by rat9988 »

newbamboo wrote: post #139
jacquesm wrote: post #117

Ah we never saw that one coming. What really bugs me is why people keep defending these companies: this is straight up abusive, and we - all of us - should not accept these tricks. Getting you an MS account is one small step away from charging you monthly for the privilege of using the computer that you've already paid for.

It’s 2022, accept that everything is now a subscription and learn to eat bugs.

Why is he downvoted?

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Post by vel0city »

marcosdumay wrote: post #283
vel0city wrote: post #217

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> For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. I'm of the exact opposite persuasion. RDP'ing into a computer with your Microsoft account is easier , along with file and folder permissions across network shares and other account related things. I used to have to manage an AD domain to have the same set of accounts across all my various Windows machines. Now that…

> RDP'ing into a computer with your Microsoft account is easier Only if you use the same account on both computers. What means the GP will have to use his work account on his personal computer just to jump into another machine.

I'm confused about your hypothetical. Why would they have to do that? Could you explain that issue more?

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Post by Dylan16807 »

KSS42 wrote: post #81
Zhyl wrote: post #24

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The "easy loophole" last time was to install windows without an internet connection and then repeatedly try/fail to create an account until the option appeared.

I heard that a loophole is to install Windows with a MSFT account, create a local account with admin access and then delete the MSFT account

That doesn't solve the problem.

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Post by throwaway22032 »

alar44 wrote: post #292

Guys, Microsoft doesn't give two shits about home users. Their bread and butter is businesses. And M365 is amazing for business. If you think M$ suxors, you're not the target demographic. I'd much rather manage 200 users with M365 than some fucked up combo of slack, Google, Dropbox, and libreoffice.

I don't need to be managed, thanks. Give me credentials and a live CD.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

vjust wrote: post #70

Dialing up the annoyance level to a 11. Microsoft has spent the last 6 years or more glacially gravitating its OS-developer features towards Ubuntu. Because they couldn't do better - VSCode being the one crowning glory - and not an insignificant one. The side annoyances of a barely functional Cortana & Edge, were things I looked past, now add one more, a required account - we'll be led into unknown realms of integrat…

> Developers by the very nature of their job are OK with torture,

Not if you're a back-end coder or a system admin/DevOps. You might tolerate some level of torture, but you for sure won't be happy about it. Ripping out Cortana, Edge and the Windows 10 start menu are literally the first items on my "setting up a new machine" checklist.

Aside from that, I have never been okay with Teams (beyond voice calls, that's the one thing I'll defend them on) or SharePoint, even if I do have to use both occasionally. It's not like I have any say, but when I have a chance to say my piece, I complain about them openly.

So far, doing most of my work on a Linux VM on a laptop that was well managed by the internal IT team (and with local admin permission granted as needed) was the only reason why I put up with the nonsense that was Windows 10 anywhere.

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Post by kergonath »

pxx wrote: post #177
neighborlynook wrote: post #156

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I am convinced Power Users are not the target market for Windows 11 (or maybe even windows). I mistakenly updated to it and have regretted it. Did you know they turned off animations when using Virtual Desktops [1]? A power-user feature on all the other OS' that took Microsoft till 2019 to adopt was crippled in little over 2 years after release. [1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/report-an-issue/windo...

Color me confused. Why would I ever want animations when I change virtual desktops? I know what keys I pressed. I pressed them for a reason. The animation just gets in the way. In general, animations don't seem like a "power user" feature at all. Animations hint at new users ("hey, where did that window go when I minimized it") but aren't useful once you understand the abstraction.

Being a power user does not make you infaillible or unable to press the wrong keys. A subtle animation is a trivial visual cue that they keys I pressed did something, the wrong keys resulting in the wrong cue. I am not looking at my keyboard when I switch desktops.

Look at tools, for example. Tools for power users do not have fewer cues and affordances than tools for neophytes. They have more, because they have more features, more power, and using them can be more dangerous. You can also see it that way: a newbie using a feature once a day will be wrong (and needing to be nudged to the right direction) once a day. A power user who is wrong 1 times every 100 they use a feature will still be wrong more often than the newbie if they use it more than 100 times a day.

Also, this:

> We’ve turned off the animation when switching Desktops using the keyboard shortcuts as it was leading to flashes and hangs

is fucking ridiculous. If your compositor is so bad you can’t animate desktop switching without “flashes and hangs”, it means you have some serious work to do on your display subsystem. Fix your OS already!

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/08/05/announc...

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