Damn, this looks great. I'm very happy with my ErgoDoxes but the domed keys on this would make me seriously consider it if I were buying today. IMO, the split keyboard is super important for not messing up your shoulders with hunched over typing.
Kinesis Advantage 360
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#292It's great to see a ton of options for ergo mechanical keyboards out there now, but anyone have any suggestions for the best competitors/replacements for the Microsoft Sculpt? I used to think Mechanical key switches were the best, but in retrospect I must have been brainwashed by elitists. Full depth keys are irritating to use, and most switches are too loud. I love the ten-keyless, chiclet, reverse tilt style of the Sculpt, but I hear they break down quickly and aren't made anymore. I can't imagine myself using a full-depth keyboard again.
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#293It's great to see a ton of options for ergo mechanical keyboards out there now, but anyone have any suggestions for the best competitors/replacements for the Microsoft Sculpt? I used to think Mechanical key switches were the best, but in retrospect I must have been brainwashed by elitists. Full depth keys are irritating to use, and most switches are too loud. I love the ten-keyless, chiclet, reverse tilt style of the…
There are low-profile mechanical ones, and with a red or a black type mechanical switch you won't feel much of a difference (but with better reliability).
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#294All this ergonomic keyboards are incredibly expensive. Is there anything reasonable below 50e? Even DIY.
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kinesis has a 60-day money back guarantee if you buy from them, minus the cost of shipping. These are also sold on Amazon, which has a really good return policy so you can return the item with no hassle if you don’t end up liking it. Of course, this is all presuming that A. You have enough capital to buy the keyboard and are ok with not having $300+ for a month or two B. you can get used to the keyboard within a 30 d…
Unfortunately their store was closed thoughout most of 2021 due to COVID. I orded a Advantage 2 from the sole NZ distributor who do not honour that deal. Cost 500USD only to discover it was very uncomfortable for an "ergonomic" keyboard. I dont think my shoulders are particularly far apart but I still had massive pain due to the ulnar deviation caused by the keywells not sitting at an angle that suited by shoulders.…
Yes, this is what I’m worried about (from Australia).
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#296Kinesis Advantage 2 is great, but it's massive and hard to travel with. Looks like the 360 might be a bit easier to travel with. The Kinesis Advantage 2 fits a Magic Trackpad perfectly right in the middle of the keyboard. This lets you perform mouse actions with you right and left hands. Emacs keybindings never made sense to me till I tried them with the Kinesis. I feel like Emacs sucks on a standard Mac keyboard and…
I just did this Magic Trackpad thing on mine, I really like it. It's in the perfect location. Split hands though? Bluetooth? This is an instant-buy for me.
I had this setup for a while, but I had a habit of moving just the index finger, instead of the whole wrist. This caused some inflammation/swelling in the cartilage/muscle between the index and middle finger, so I had to abandon the setup.
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#297FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander
This keyboard looks like Kinesis's answer to the moonlander
I'd say that it is more their response to the Dactyl[1] and the Dactyl Manuform[2] which is similar to Kinesis but split.
Those started as open source DIY keyboards, and originally you had to 3D-print, hand-wire, solder and program yourself, but ready-made ones are available now.
1. http://xahlee.info/kbd/dactyl_keyboard.html>
2. https://ohkeycaps.com/products/built-to-order-dactyl-manufor...>
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#298Split with major tenting is cool: https://kinesis-ergo.com/wp-content/uploads/Adv360-Pro-Asymm... I've already settled on my "endgame" desktop keyboard in the Matias Ergo Pro though. Don't like layouts that stray too far from ANSI.
The Ergo pro is an excellent keyboard. I’ve had two. Biggest problems are reliability - my first had a bunch of keys stop working in 9 months! They sent a replacement half for $99. That one stopped working 13 months later.
I would google around and read some reviews on Amazon and Reddit before committing. Sadly these issues seem common.
Their warranty support was… not good. Their COO didn’t really stand by their product. I know 4 other people who had similar experiences - they all love the keyboard but switched after it basically fell apart.
I’d buy another in a heartbeat if I knew it would last well beyond the warranty like every single other keyboard I’ve ever had over 32 years of computer ownership.
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#299Split with major tenting is cool: https://kinesis-ergo.com/wp-content/uploads/Adv360-Pro-Asymm... I've already settled on my "endgame" desktop keyboard in the Matias Ergo Pro though. Don't like layouts that stray too far from ANSI.
The Ergo pro is an excellent keyboard. I’ve had two. Biggest problems are reliability - my first had a bunch of keys stop working in 9 months! They sent a replacement half for $99. That one stopped working 13 months later. I would google around and read some reviews on Amazon and Reddit before committing. Sadly these issues seem common. Their warranty support was… not good. Their COO didn’t really stand by their prod…
That sucks. Before buying, I read a lot of reports of key-repeating issues, but hopefully that will never be an issue for me because 1) I buy the 'Low Force edition' which uses different switches to the normal one, and 2) I spoke to a distributor and they told me it was pretty easy to fix that particular issue by cleaning the mechanism. Though I do actually have some New-in-Box spares that I snagged for really cheap, as an insurance policy!
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#300if you're still young, learn dvorak as soon as possible and when you're wise, you won't be crippled like these folks praising this keyboard.
I don't think there is universal agreement for Dvorak being more ergonomic than Qwerty. Qwerty was designed to make key presses with alternative hands statistically likely (to benefit mechanical type writers). But this is also a good ergonomic property. For example, common English works like "the" can be typed with one hand with Dvorak, but this is not necessarily ergonomic. It causes one to contort the hand more tha…
This is completely wrong; I think you must be thinking of something other than Dvorak.
"The" requires both hands on Dvorak, and "th" is the easiest right-hand finger-roll¹, equivalent to "kj" on Qwerty. E is one of the strongest keys on the left hand.
On Qwerty, this extremely common English word requires moving the fingers away from the home position, and the T (second most frequent English letter) is one of the longer stretches.
Taking your most recent longer comment (Category Theory), typed on Qwerty there are 354 alternate-hand transitions. On Dvorak, there are 451.
With the simplest fragment, "there are even books about it", and the left hand shown in capital letters:
Qwerty: ThERE ARE EVEn BookS ABouT It.
Dvorak: thErE ArE EvEn bOOKs AbOUt It.
¹ Like when drumming your fingers on the table.